Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juliwe Cemetery

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 15:22, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Juliwe Cemetery[edit]

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Non-notable cemetery, highly localized to Juliwe, which doesn't even have an article. Possible redirect to Soweto if it were mentioned there. Sources only point to a South African blog. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:12, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Google books has a report from 1997, and there is a lot of reportage from the last three months regarding a plaque that was placed at the cemetery. I'm not sure about the name, though. I see other names such as Roodeport West cemetery and Horizon View cemetery, even "Juliwe Township cemetery". [3] seems reliable and it does use the term "Juliwe Cemetery". So probably Keep Unscintillating (talk) 01:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Those point to local newspapers and another blog. How is this notable outside of the city? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:49, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What is notability inside a city? You've got WP:CORP's WP:AUD confused with GNG. Those newspaper articles appear to be the work of professional journalists. I didn't research the names of the authors, but they appear at the bottom. There are some unusually detailed articles here, including phone numbers you could call. There is another WP:RS listed in the article. As for what you are calling a blog, blogs written by notable authors carry the reliability of the author, and the author here is the City of Johannesburg. There is also the 1997 "Human Rights Report" on Google books, but I haven't been able to identify the author as anything other than "The Committee". Unscintillating (talk) 03:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Let me specify what I see about these sources:

* Allatsea.com - blog - author hidden behind a relatively anonymous email [4]

* Soweto Urban - local newspaper

* Roodepoort Record - local newspaper

* joburg.org.za - city website - primary -

* The Heritage Portal - blog [5] - primary - authored by City of Johannesburg

So as it stands, it can be sourced by the two local newspapers and the city website. It's right on the border of multiple, which I suppose is two or more sources. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete WP:G12 - most of this is a too-close paraphrase of [6]. Ignoring the copyright issue, this should be merged into a (yet-nonexistent) article on the historical town as a whole, which should meet WP:GEOLAND as well as WP:GNG. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've tagged it for {{close paraphrasing}} AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article is part of the Joburgpedia project where we are working with the GLAM institutions such as the Johannesburg Heritage Foundation and the City of Johannesburg to install qr coded blue plaque in places marked as historical and heritage significance around the Gauteng Province. These qr plauqes link to a Wikipedia page of that historical site. You can read more about the project here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/WM_ZA/Joburgpedia_2016.Bobbyshabangu _talk 09:11, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redevelop into an article covering the community as a whole, not just the cemetery. This falls under Wikipedia being a comprehenzive gazeteer, this applies to places that have been wiped out of existence as well as those that exist at present.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:30, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I would be in favor of it covering the community rather than the single cemetery. It could also be merged into Roodepoort as part of its history. Heritage Portal has an article on how the location got the Juliwe name. [7] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:46, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This cemetery is a non-notable place. Agree with WP:GEOLAND. Ventric (talk) 22:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I went through the sources as described by User:AngusWOOF, which is an entirely correct assessment. As said, this puts it right on the border of notability. Enough to sway me. Ifnord (talk) 03:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No notability. There is nothing notable about this article. A cemetary, of which there are many millions, does not justify a stand-alone article because there are a couple of references out there. Otr500 (talk) 06:13, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 07:37, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per JPL's suggestion and ATD that this is a wider place than just a cemetery; also the sources as described by User:Unscintillating appear to provide a degree f notability sufficient to outweigh the need to delete. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I misspelled "Roodepoort" above. I dropped "Roodepoort West Cemetery" into Google web and the top link was an abstract posted on nih.gov for

Hay M., University of the Witwatersrand, South Africa. (2011). ""The last thing that tells our story": the Roodepoort West Cemetery, 1958-2008". J South Afr Stud. p. 37(2):297-311. Retrieved 2017-12-28.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

I'm still not sure about the name, as although "Roodepoort West Cemetery" appears in the title, this is a capitalization style that capitalizes lower case words; and the text calls it, "the cemetery of Roodepoort West. So maybe a move to The cemetery of Roodepoort West would be a proper title for the article. Unscintillating (talk) 20:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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