Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juan Joseph

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Secret ^account 15:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Joseph[edit]

Non-notable DIII athlete. Claim to fame is winning award for best football player in the state of Mississippi. Does not meet WP:ATHLETE. Smashville^talk 23:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for failing WP:ATHLETE. ~~Lastingsmilledge (talk)~~ 04:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HeureusementIci (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Delete: I would vote for delete for now. There is always time when he achieves national notability to be included. I live in Mississippi (40 years) and have never heard of him. Royalhistorian (talk) 07:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Conerly Award is not some chump change award. Other award winners were Deuce McAllister, Eli Manning, Michael Boley, and Patrick Willis. Vodello (talk) 20:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is given to the best player in Mississippi. That's a pretty limited criteria. --Smashville^talk 20:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The award may be fairly important, but I don't think it qualifies Mr. Joseph for the fairly limited athlete criteria - either playing professionally or at the highest amateur level. Division III is plainly not the highest level of amateur football, and Mr. Joseph has not played professionally. HeureusementIci (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton ^Happy ^Holidays 01:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as he is the best football player in Mississippi. Tavix (talk) 01:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a valid keep reason. How does he meet WP:ATHLETE? --Smashville^talk 01:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have to keep that WP:ATHLETE is just an expression of WP:N that pertains to athletes; it is not the authority 100% of the time for athletes. He became notable by winning a major award, which gives way to a variety of reliable sources, which in turn prove that he is notable. Tavix (talk) 02:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He won an award as the best football player in Mississippi. That is not a major award. As I said above, the award is based on the extremely limited criteria that the player must be an athlete in Mississippi. And considering the only thing he can claim notability for is being an athlete, WP:ATHLETE most definitely applies. We don't consider the winner of the Gagliardi Trophy automatically notable...so we wouldn't consider the winner of an in-state award notable. --Smashville^talk 02:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 02:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A marginal candidate, admittedly, but the Conerly Award victory is enough to warrant inclusion here. The article could use editing, not erasure. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Granted, he is a Division 3 athlete, but he is one who won a major award... against competition from all levels of college football. His winning of the Conerely Trophy was covered in the New Orleans Picayune, the Memphis Commercial Appeal and the Atlanta Journal Constitution, this award & the coverage associated with makes it notable. Frog47 (talk) 22:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As a Mississippian, I can say that the Conerly Trophy is a joke in the state now, thanks to Juan having won it this year. I mean, Juan "won" it over an Associated Press All-American in Peria Jerry. Everyone saying it's a "major" award, should stop. Of course, it will be said I am biased as I am an Ole Miss supporter and Jerry played at Ole Miss.. but it's so obvious even to general onlookers. Had he and his Division III Millsaps team played Jerry and Division I Ole Miss, he wouldn't be holding that trophy today. That said, he doesn't meet any sort of notability guideline/policy either. If ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc. had been knocking down his door for interviews, then maybe. Should he go on to the NFL, I'll support an article for him then. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ ^echo 03:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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