Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Lister (schoolboy)

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The result of the debate was a tragic delete. - Mailer Diablo 22:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Lister (schoolboy)[edit]

This young man's tragic death has gotten news coverage in the UK. He was, however, only a student, however sad his death. He was listed at Recent Deaths, where his listing was the subject of some argument. On the basis of the precedent of Ashley Burns, he has remained listed there, but now that a stub exists, I thought it should be brought. I am ambivalent about the subject personally, so I abstain. Xoloz 17:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, but keep on the recent deaths page, maybe for a temporary period of time? Starfighter Pilot 16:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sad Delete. Unfortunately, WP:NOT a memorial page. Non-notable. RasputinAXP T C 17:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per User:RasputinAXP. DES ^(talk) 17:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per User:RasputinAXP. Unfortunately, deaths on school trips are not a new thing, so this is unlikely to be a major catalyst. The JPS 18:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This incident is getting alot of buzz in the UK relating to school field trips. At a future time, however, this might need to be merged into something else. Youngamerican 19:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete NN, Wikipedia is not a memorial.--Kalsermar 19:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In the case of Ashley Burns, her death was commented in many sources and challenged the development of cheerleading, or at the very least highlighted its evolution into an athletic and dangerous sport. While similarly the link has been drawn to the risk of school trips, I think this is just journalist filler when reporting a tragedy. I recall a report in Australia earlier this year of a girl being killed by a falling tree while on a school camp. Life is risky, some people die prematurely, including on school trips and it is very sad.--A Y Arktos 19:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Accidents and incompetence happen when potholing, as do deaths on school trips. Nothing special to see here. Pilatus 20:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly Delete. Gateman1997 20:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Pilatus. David | Talk 21:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is the fluff news agencies write when they need to put in sentimental pablum in for people who don't understand real news. Williamb 21:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Getting quite some press but too recent to say if it ends up changing laws and regulations. Delete now, but keep the option of recreation open if it turns out to spark changes. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep please. While I don't live in the UK I do live far enough into the country to recognize the important issues his death raises. Maybe in a few years one can sadly delete this, however I don't feel the stub is sufficiently partisan to merit deletion on those grounds, while again, I do recognize it is worth paying attention to these important issues.Jplatt39 00:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Is it possible to rewrite this entry in a tone that is less memorial and more in line with the tone of the Ashley Burns article? I would also advocate for a different source being added such as this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/4438520, which discusses the death in the context of the larger issue of safety on school trips. Ladydayelle
- Comment** Then why not include his name and what happened in an article about safety on school trips. Although I must say the whole thing sounds sort of duhish to me. I myself think that the Ashley Burns article too was just fluff reporting..but.. Williamb 07:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - I agree. We have no article on Bunmi Shagaya (see [1]) who was possibly more significant. Nor is there an article on the boys who died while canoeing in Lyme Bay in 1992 which prompted a significant legislative tightening on school activities by their local MP David Jamieson in the Activity Centres (Young Persons' Safety) Act 1995 [2]. David | Talk 11:01, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Tragic, but not encyclopedic. Gamaliel
Delete as per Pilatus. Sliggy 22:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Echoing some comments above, many accident/malpractice deaths are reported on the news, and yes, this one has featured quite widely in the UK. However, unless his death triggers some new laws, I'm going to say delete. - Hahnchen 00:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
delete chaz171 there are thousands of non-encyclopedic articles on this site. take for instance all of the rash of recently executed convicted murderers. Losers on American Idol have their own pages. Perhaps there needs to be a pop culture encyclopedia to supplement the "wealth of world knowledge" site.
delete Can we have an article about dangers, accidents and deaths on UK school field trips; which can highlight the issues and name the indiviudals who have passed away in the tragic way. Y control 09:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree that albeit it is a tragedy, an encyclopedia doesn't have place for such commonday occurrences.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.79.42.254 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC-5)
DELETE: If every tragic death is archived, this site will need a search engine for every day's entry. Thousands of kids die every day in tragic circumstances - perhaps there should be a special folder for such - but please not in the same list as the great and famous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.5.186.49 (talk • contribs) 10:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC-5)

Delete or Merge into an future article on pupil deaths in British academic institutions as per several other posters. My prayers are with the family. Zerbey 17:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the information into a relevant article. Perhaps on the dangers of caves? Drowning and caves? I hate to see it deleted, so if the info can fit anywhere, it should be kept. --DanielCD 19:07, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nn. Ejrrjs | [[User talk:Ejrrjs|What?]] 22:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am sorry about the tragedy. Nevertheless, it's simply not notable in a encyclopedic way. Vonspringer 21:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Important issue, yes, but not one that should be editorialized or personalized within an encyclopaedia. Larry 1624 16:55 EST, 19 November 2005
Keep: On another tack, why is his death any less important than a bunch of entries for murderers who happen to have been executed by lethal injection? They got what they deserved, did Joseph Lister? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.14.53.15 (talk • contribs) 00:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC-5)
Delete sadly, accidental deaths happen every single day - this one isn't encyclopedic. CDC (talk) 18:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I don't like voting against it, knowing I have a tendency for defending "non-notable" articles myself, but this is one that's too recent, too memorialistic, and too NN unfortunately Sherurcij 07:26, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - With a future article on the Manchester Hole caveSoldan 16:03, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.