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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 16:16, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Kis-Lev[edit]

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Non-notable artist. Appears to be an elaborate promotional/vanity page. Searching for this person on Google, I find mostly self-created promotional websites: Facebook, Youtube, etc, and some marketplace websites where I assume his art is for sale. No Google News articles discussing him. Google Books reveals a bunch of books written by him, but every single one is self-published on CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform. Going through the References section, every link is either dead, or something published by the subject of the article himself, or a live link that doesn't mention Kis-Lev. Two major contributors to the article: one is Forever Art, who created the article and spent most of his other editing time adding Kis-Lev's artwork to other articles (most of that has been removed from those articles). The other is the similarly-named Psychology Forever, whose other edits are mostly adding Kis-Lev's self-published books to other articles as references. Seems likely that's the subject of the article doing the editing in both cases. JimKaatFan (talk) 20:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is just a big puffery job. I have to say it is pretty well put together for a subject that has no notability based on available sourcing. (Not really related to deletion, but this looks like an autobiography, along with the graffiti works The_Peace_Kids_(mural) 27_Club_graffiti_in_Tel_Aviv. The original author of this little WP:walled garden had not logged in for two years until a few days ago, so maybe we will hear from them.)ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep I wrote the original article, having found out about this artist in Israel. In my view he is more than notable, given his work in Israel, especially peace work. There is much info about him in Hebrew and Arabic. However, if you think I did a bad job, feel free to delete this one. Forever Art (talk) 03:57, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep notable Jewish activist and artist. See an entire article about him on Israel's Xnet here [1], or in English in Zeek here [2]. Apparently his graffiti art is considered a must see in Israel according to "Forward" here. [3]. While I do not support graffiti, I see the merit of keeping this article.Art Lover 03:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Art Lover (talk • contribs)

The two eight year old accounts above (Forever Art and Art Lover) were confirmed by checkuser to be same user. See this SPI. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:27, 8 June 2020 (UTC) [reply]

References

  1. ^ https://xnet.ynet.co.il/design/articles/0,14563,L-3107132,00.html
  2. ^ http://zeek.forward.com/articles/117212/
  3. ^ https://forward.com/slideshow/365364/12-must-see-works-of-israeli-street-art/#slide-9
  • keep Israeli dude, mediocre notability, but meets WP:ARTIST:

→Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals:

→1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. →2. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique. →3. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. →4. The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. אמנות או נמות (talk) 04:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note for whoever ends up making the decision on this deletion: Users Art Lover, Forever Art and אמנות או נמות all participated in the creation of the Kis-Lev article back in 2012. אמנות או נמות has only 6 contributions to Wikipedia in over 8 years. Art Lover had not made an edit since 2015, and just reappeared to comment on this deletion. JimKaatFan (talk) 16:11, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with what you are saying. I believe this is plainly a case of long-term promotion across numerous subjects and articles. Art Lover actually created the first draft for the Kis-Lev article in their sandbox. They deleted the draft, and six minutes later Forever Art published it under their account. This is all back in 2012. Anyway, it should all unravel shortly, just waiting for checkuser. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The SPI confirmed that Art Lover and Forever Art were the same user. Art Lover's original account name was User:Jonathan Kis-Lev, so this is 8 years of self-promotion.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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