Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Gone Down

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Karan Bajaj. Merge and redirect away. Missvain (talk) 01:58, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Gone Down[edit]

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Nothing notable about the book itself. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BKCRIT. The author of the novel is notorious for paid online fake reviews and silencing critics no wonder the novel has an article! Eatcha 13:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Eatcha 13:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Eatcha 13:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Eatcha 13:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Eatcha 13:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Eatcha 13:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some citations are blogposts and personal websites. Eatcha 13:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and comment It might be the case that the citations used for the book are not the best but I oppose to deletion as there are too many sources and reviews online discussing the book in detail and this fact is easily verifiable just by typing the name of the book in google search. There ae literally tens of them. I'm also very concerned with the editor who nominated the page for deletion as I'm afraid it might be COI or bias involved here. The editor nominated the page for deletion before and after I upgraded and tried t improved I offered to bring it to this discussion for consensus. However, Eatcha personally attacked me on the Book's Talk Page also suggesting that the author of the book (Karan Bajaj) paid for all his reviews. Here is the citation of our conversation: Eatcha

"It looks like the page was significant;y cut before proposed deletion and I don't think it is the best way tp just eraze articles from Wikipedia. i think this page has been improved and deserves for at least a proper discussion instead of just disappearing. In case my upgrade of the page is not sufficient, I propose to submit a discussion deletion in more standard way and bring other editors to share their opinion.--50.209.48.53 (talk) 01:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

An you call adding blogposts and personal websites as citations an upgrade? LMAO. I hope that you aren't Karan. I've never met you but I'm here from CZ and I know what kinda person you are and your OP in NYC. Don't try to silence critics. And Who murdered your smart "wolf"? Eatcha 13:43, 27 November 2020 (UTC)"

First of all, I'm not Karan Bajaj and I do not have COI. Second, I didn't ry to silence anyone - I did improvement of the page and offered in the most civilized form to bring the discussion further in case of dispute. Third, based on Eatcha attack on me, I believe he might have COI or personal antipathy to the author of the book and this might prevent him from any further neutral editing and discussions. --50.209.48.53 (talk) 23:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey IP, If you are not Karan why are you offended? I criticized the business practices of Karan, not Karan himself. So even if you are Karan these can't be classified as "personal attacks". Let's assume I have beef with him, then what? Facts don't care about your feelings and the subject of this DR(the novel) is not notable. I'm not an admin so I can't delete the Article, I haven't made any significant edits to this article and I'm just making sure that this article gets deleted cuz the novel is not notable at all and I believe it was created by Karan or some close to him. Thanks, Eatcha 06:01, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Entirely off topic and disruptive. You used the word "you" in your 'criticism', that definitely makes it a personal attack. Retswerb (talk) 06:12, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can keep saying that but it doesn't help anybody. -- Eatcha 05:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For those who don't have any clue about the Business practices, see Draft:WhiteHat_Jr#Controversies -- Eatcha 06:06, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Significant coverage already sourced from India Today, the Hindu, Zee News, Deccan Herald. Easily meets WP:BKCRIT criteria 1. Retswerb (talk) 06:07, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This excludes media reprints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
— Criteria 1 of WP:BKCRIT

I guess some of your stated links don't qualify for Criteria 1 -- Eatcha 06:16, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Even if you disregard the interviews there's still plenty here. Not sure what axe you're grinding, you seem pretty committed to this cause. I'm stepping away from this one for now. Retswerb (talk) 07:22, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or Redirect To Karan Bajaj. What this comes down to for me is that all the "reviews" seem to from personal WordPress type blogs. Which don't meet the notability guidelines. Everything else is interviews with the author and only mention the book in passing. So, there's nothing about this that meets the notability guidelines. I'd be fine with it being in the authors articles though. It's already mentioned there anyway, but nothing about it at this point warrants a stand alone article. Plus, his could probably use the boast in references and content anyway. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:48, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let's analyze the references
URLs	Meets WP:BKCRIT?	Reason for accepting or declining
https://www.outlookindia.com/newswire/story/johnny-gone...	NO	Fails Criteria 1 of WP:BKCRIT as the author themselves is speaking about the book and openly promoting it.
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover-story/story/20101004...	NO	Fails Criteria 1 of WP:BKCRIT as the article is about the author and not the novel. Kinda interview-ish.
https://www.thehindu.com/books/Drawing-from-life/article16372032.ece	NO	Fails Criteria 1 of WP:BKCRIT as it's about the author (interview-ish) and the author boasts about his novel.
https://talkingtails.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/johnny-gone-down-karan-bajaj/	NO	JOKE RIGHT? A personal wordpress website.
https://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/bookworm/between-the-lines/comparing...	NO	Article's about the author and not the novel itself. And they are themselves talking about the book. UNRELATED:zeenews == Indian Fox News always evaluates to true on any language
https://sayedkhadri.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/johnny-gone-down/	NO	YET ANOTHER PERSONAL wordpress BLOG!!!
https://web.archive.org/web/20101224222150/http://www.johnnygonedown.in/	NO	Archive of the novels website
http://books-life-n-more.blogspot.com/2010/06/johnny-gone-down.html	NO	TOO MANY BLOGS AS CITATIONS? books-life-n-more.blogspot.com is unreliable
https://aamilsyed.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/johnny-gone-down-by-karan-bajaj-a-review/	NO	BLOG
https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/ronnie-screwala...	NO	The article is about a "Bollywood" movie that might be based on the novel. BUT it's based on the Author's interview. NOT allowed per criteria one.
http://harimohanparuvu.blogspot.com/2010/08/johnny-gone-down-karan-bajaj-book.html	NO	BLOGPOST
https://www.deccanherald.com/content/80546/fast-paced-gripping.html	YES	Review of the Novel, from Deccan Herald
http://veiledlife.blogspot.com/2014/12/johnny-gone-down-book-review.html	NO	BLOG AGAIN!!!
http://dfuse.in/books/review-johnny-gone-down/	NO	dfuse.in is not reliable.

SUMMARY :

6 blogs (3 on WordPress and 3 on google Blogspot)
1 archive of the website for the novel
1 unreliable review website
1 reliable review from Deccan Herald
5 articles on Indian mainstream media that don't pass the Criteria because they are not about the novel or are the author's interview.
Total links 14, acceptable link 1. Which is 7.1% of all the refs are reliable and the rest(~93%) are just blogs or marketing/interviews on the mainstream media.

-- Eatcha 05:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or Redirect into Karan Bajaj. I was the one who removed the non RS blogs and copyvio'd synopsis a couple of days ago. Just removed the synopsis again, as apart from the last line, it was copy pasted from review sites. I haven't checked the lead. The only notable thing about this book was the apparently massive PR campaign surrounding it (alluded to in almost every source, RS or not) The Deccan Herald article seems to be the only genuine RS review; you could possibly cobble something together with the interview type articles, but you would have to rewrite it completely, and even then, it wouldn't meet notability with only one decent RS. I did find this [1] not convinced its enough though. Curdle (talk) 13:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.