Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Morley (Garda Síochána officer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Death of Henry Byrne (Garda Síochána officer). Consensus among those engaging in continued discussion here is that the articles about the two victims should be merged to one article about the bank robbery, the title of which can be established through the editorial process. Sandstein 18:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John Morley (Garda Síochána officer)[edit]

Article fails the notability criteria for WP:BIO. Tragically, numerous people are killed everyday, and it is far too commonplace an occurrence. Simply being killed during an armed robbery is not an assertion of notability for a biography. — CactusWriter | ^needles 22:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note - After the discovery of the Death of Henry Byrne (Garda Síochána officer) article about the same event, and the addition of references by T*85 to the John Morley article, it has been suggested these two articles be merged to focus on the event. I support a Merge. — CactusWriter | ^needles 09:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — — CactusWriter | ^needles 22:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article is useful in the overal context of The Troubles. The article asserts notability because murder by firearm is less common in Ireland than in the United States, and because John Morley was either the fifth or sixth member of the Garda Síochána to be killed in The Troubles. The article could be moved to Death of John Morley (Garda Síochána officer), but that might be an awkward name for an article. -- Eastmain (talk) 22:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Apparently 3523 deaths are listed for that 30 year period -- 1667 of them were people in some "official" capacity and another 1857 civilians. There are also listed 22,500 armed robberies and 37,000 shootings for The Troubles#Casualties: brief summary. That certainly doesn't support the assertion that this one was so incredibly uncommon. Any of the notable incidents are (and can be ) in the The Troubles article. — CactusWriter | ^needles 23:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 22:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notability established the usual way. I see no pressing cause for an exception to the rule in this case. Wily D 12:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge into list. Not particularly notable of its own accord unless further evidence can be found to contradict this. Not being one for throwing away information, I would be inclined to include it in some list somewhere else. But really I cannot see how this particular case has any significant relevance to the overall situation. --➨Candlewicke ^{:) Sign/Talk} 20:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Merge this article and Death of Henry Byrne (Garda Síochána officer) into an article about the bank robbery - ~~most of the victims of the troubles were in Northern Ireland. It is a big event if a police officer is killed in the Republic even during the troubles. I tried to improve it.~~--T*85 (talk) 21:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are arguing for the notability of the one event, however this is a biography which fails WP:BIO precisely because it is about only the one event. (see WP:BIO1E) I have just found another article, Death of Henry Byrne (Garda Síochána officer), about the exact same subject. This article apparently went through an Afd for the same reason and survived by being renamed. I would suggest as a solution that these two articles be merged and renamed to so that notability rests on the event rather than the individual bios. Does this sound reasonable? — CactusWriter | ^needles 22:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable --T*85 (talk) 23:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events) to think of a reasonable name for the article. I think Deaths of Garda Officers (1980) with the appropriate redirects might work best for readers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 08:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have rewritten the introduction to focus on the event, and have incorporated the two officers' personal info into the body of the text. By the way, thanks for finding and adding the news references. That made a huge difference. — CactusWriter | ^needles 09:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.