Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Graves (American football)

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The result was Snow Keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:31, 13 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

John Graves (American football)[edit]

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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON and has no significant coverage which mean the player also fails WP:GNG – Michael (talk) 01:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 17:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 17:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I added some additional content and references which I think allow it to qualify as a stub. Go Phightins! (talk) 19:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In a matter of seconds, I found some significant coverage through Google News: search +"John Graves" +football +"virginia tech" pulls over 180 articles from various nationwide newspapers. While I agree that college football ~~offensive~~ linemen normally do not pass WP:GNG, this is an obvious exception.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but note that he's a defensive lineman. Go Phightins! (talk) 20:05, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

oops... --Paul McDonald (talk) 22:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But you're right, there was enough coverage for me to expand the one-liner article that existed at the time of nomination to the stub that exists now. Go Phightins! (talk) 00:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 06:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Maybe didn't pass before. Maybe WP:BEFORE should have been applied. Seems to pass now. Stalwart111 (talk) 00:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. AutomaticStrikeout 01:54, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Found more coverage in the Washington Post and the Roanoke Times. Churn and change (talk) 06:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There appears to be more than enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to establish John Graves' notability. That having been said, I must caution my fellow editors with regard to some of the sources offered: (1) trivial mentions don't count—just because the subject's name is briefly mentioned in a major publication is meaningless; (2) routine game and transactions coverage doesn't count for notability purposes; (3) recruiting websites don't count for much; (4) university and sports program websites and school newspapers are not considered independent sources, and don't count for purposes of establishing notability; and (5) amateur sports blogs are not considered reliable sources, and therefore don't count, either. In the absence of major national honors and/or stand-alone independent source articles about the subject, critical review of the sources offered to establish notability should be undertaken. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.