Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jethro Tull

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is to retain the disambiguation page as is. Yunshui ^雲 _水 08:57, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jethro Tull[edit]

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WP:2DAB. Should be deleted and Jethro Tull (band) moved here, as that's the primary target. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a disambiguation page with only 2 subjects that should instead be a hatnote. Agree that Jethro Tull (band) should be the redirect, since a vast majority of users would likely be searching for the band rather than the person. Nanophosis (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 03:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 03:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:20, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: one current band, one significant historical person, both disambiguated, no primary topic. Perfectly correct dab page, as it was when created in 2002. PamD 10:21, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: isn't this a move request rather than an AfD? Richard3120 (talk) 12:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that DAB pages have to be AFD'd. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep my understanding of this is to build consensus that the band is the primary topic. I disagree. I had never heard of the agriculturalist (and I've only heard of the band enough to be surprised to find it in the list of AfDs), but he appears to be a substantial historical figure, and the disambiguation page seems proper to me. SportingFlyer talk 16:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep DAB As-Is -- The disambiguation page could be eliminated if there was a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the name, but I don't think that is the case here. Scientists and historians may enter "Jethro Tull" to find the agriculturalist, music fans may use the term to search for the band. Since the agriculturalist is clearly a notable historical figure, he may be just as "primary" as the famous band. The brief detour through the disambig page when someone searches for the name is a bit annoying but easily clicked through. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If one of the topics was clearly the primary one, it would be the agriculturalist of the 18th century. I think I may have heard of him a little in the past, the band not at all. We should avoid unwaranted presentism.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:59, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don think either could be argued to be the primary topic as both are very notable in their fields (although the fact that the band took their name from the historical figure, might suggest he is the primary subject I suppose). Equally, I suspect different audiences will enter the term expecting different results so a disambiguation page is helpful. Dunarc (talk) 20:41, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The agriculturalist is just as famous as the band. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:10, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to band - Have hatnote on both pages. Maybe the band hatnote could say "Named after" (not sure about style guidelines on this). Band popularity is about an order of magnitude higher (6x-50x). Google Trends show notability is to the band.[1] NGram shows mentions for the agriculturist disappeared until the band appeared in 1967.[2] Pageviews are about 8x for the band.[3] Suggested search on WP for "Jethro Tul" (missing final "l") has first the band, then agriculturist, discography, The String Quartet, DAB, Slipstream (band video), Christmas album, A (band album). StrayBolt (talk) 16:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per PamD (talk · contribs) and others above. Note that this has already been proposed and rejected as a move request a few months ago: see here. --Deskford (talk) 22:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep as such a request should be made via the RM process. feminist (talk) 05:04, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.