Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse McFadden

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The result was keep‎. and move to 2023 Henryetta Killings. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jesse McFadden[edit]

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Non-notable person. Jax 0677 (talk) 22:26, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Oklahoma. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The person is not notable, but mass killing as an event may be, with not only widespread media coverage but also proposed legal reforms in Oklahoma. Even in the United States, where mass shootings happen twice a day, this one appears to stand out. Refactoring to the event may be warranted. • Gene93k (talk) 00:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - I am open to a page about the event. What title do you propose? --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- Reply - "2023 Oklahoma mass shooting", "Henryetta mass shooting" come to my mind first. "McFadden family murders," taking a cue from Category:Familicides. Open to suggestions from editors more imaginative than me. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  It's being called the Henryetta Tragedy on the News on 6/News9's website, and Henryetta Homicides is the tag on fox23's website. I don't think calling it a family murder or familicide is appropriate because 2 of the victims were not related to McFadden in any way. Alienbite (talk) 18:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- "Henryetta mass shooting" would fit in the the non-diffusing subcategory of Category:Mass shootings in the United States & Category:Mass shootings in Oklahoma as well. I haven't seen any journalistic ordinal ranking, and of course I'm avoiding synthesis and original research territory on my part. kencf0618 (talk) 11:47, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  "Henryetta mass shooting" works best, as this is the third mass shooting in Oklahoma in 2023 (two in Oklahoma City which don't have Wikipedia pages). • Gene93k (talk) 12:22, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Do any of the WP:RS call it a mass shooting? I understand it technically qualifies, but the reporting I'm seeing calls them murders. Under WP:COMMONNAME shouldn't we lean towards what reporting calls it? TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 16:26, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  The press is also calling them killings, and while this is a mass murder-suicide, a strict reading of WP:MURDERS suggests the murders label is premature, at least until a coroner's inquest completes. • Gene93k (talk) 00:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  
  Hello, I happened upon this discussion tonight and decided to mention this. Whatever else this event was, it is likely a familicide, which is when someone kills multiple members of their own family in a short period of time. The wiki article on familicide says: the murderer kills family members or loved ones rather than anonymous people, and lists dozens of examples. Most of the related articles have a title that is just the name of the killer. Others are named 'XYZ family murders/killing'. hth, Jane 207.38.138.211 (talk) 02:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Plenty of coverage and the murder of six people can never be described as "non-notable". -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:23, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. (Full disclosure: I curated the article.) These investigations are very complicated. By way of rough comparison, in the 2022 University of Idaho killings the four victims were autopsied four days later, and the findings released nine days later; we're only a week into this thing. I don't know what resources Oklahoma has vis-à-vis Idaho, but this'll take a while. Furthermore this incident has ramifications that'll take a while to unfold. There will be investigations. An Amber Alert was issued hours before the subjects' bodies were discovered. How and why was it issued? Registered sex offenders are heavily sanctioned (not least socially) and supervised; why was the 9mm not discovered? Heck, for that matter when was the last time a registered sex offender committed a mass murder‽ kencf0618 (talk) 02:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rename/Move to 2023 Henryetta Killings: per WP:CRIMINAL I don't think McFadden meets our notability guidelines because his only claim to notability is criming. However, all of this information can be covered (and a biography section for McFadden may be included in the renamed article per WP:CRIMINAL; we can even redirect his name to the subsection with his biography). I think this route is best inline with policy and preserves the information in the article. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 16:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Make that 2023 Henryetta killings (lower case per MoS), and that seems to be the best title for now. • Gene93k (talk) 19:42, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and move per TulsaPoliticsFan. Lettler^{hello • contribs} 17:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move per TulsaPoliticsFan to 2023 Henryetta killings and refactor. Crime appears to pass WP:NCRIME, but little depth of biographical coverage for perpetrator. • Gene93k (talk) 19:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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