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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 07:24, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy Annear[edit]

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Very little independent RS on this person. It doesn't seem to me that Royal Holloway College, U of London constitutes a museum collection that establishes notability. I tried to track down the "Award Kreissparkasse" but couldn't find anything on the internet or scholarly journals to even establish that the prize existed, let alone that he had been awarded it. So it is unclear if it is of significant merit. Theredproject (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 03:04, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 03:04, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, for the arguments presented by the nominator. Clearly Annear is an active artist but, according to his own website, has only had one solo exhibition. Probably a successful artist, but not meeting WP:ARTIST. Sionk (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A low profile artist that has 2 refs, 1 that is 404 the other a bio from a small local arts group. Szzuk (talk) 16:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, a paragraph length entry in Buckman signifies notability and mentions several solo exhibitions overseas.[1] The Cornwall Artists Index website also has an entry for Annear.[2]14GTR (talk) 16:31, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ David Buckman (2006). Artists in Britain Since 1945 Vol 1, A to L. Art Dictionaries Ltd. ISBN 0 953260 95 X.
  2. ^ "Jeremy Annear". Cornwall Artists Index. Retrieved 13 March 2018.
  • Delete I do not see enough in terms of sourcing. Only major earth-shattering type exhibitions count for notability, as all artists do exhibitions, and many do them overseas. Hundreds of millions of people travel overseas each year, so that term has somewhat lost its meaning. As to the two printed artist indexes, those are reasonably solid but not enough on their own.104.163.147.121 (talk) 06:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the Cornwall Artists index would seem to be of little value here, if one goes by the first artist included in the index. They have many notable artists, but also many who are clearly not. Of Travers Adamson, included in the index, they say: "His artistic interests and skill are not yet known, and he died at the young age of 41". Does not seem to be a particularly selective index. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 07:00, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I mentioned overseas above to indicate that there may be non-English language coverage of Annear; maybe I should have spelled that out for you. The Cornwall Artists Index is a perfectly reliable source and is used as such in numerous articles. Also, the 404 link is to the old site for Art UK and has now been replaced with the new format, as an External Link, in the article.14GTR (talk) 08:25, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A database that plainly states "His artistic interests and skill are not yet known, and he died at the young age of 41" about an artist (not this one) is a source that has serious credibility problems. To spell that out more clearly: a database that says it does not know why it is including an artist literally does not know what they are talking about. It's an atrocious source. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 09:29, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • An index is perfectly reliable source, but it does not prove artist is notable. To be included into index, you just need to be an artist. To be a notable artist, one has to be mentioned in independant articles and reviews, participate in significant exhibitions or be part of public collections, either galleries or museums. I don't see any of this for Jeremy Annear, so I think it's Delete. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 11:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, on balance. Deb (talk) 20:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The problem here is that none of the available sources allow us to verify anything. The Cornwall Artists index is a database. Where does the info come from? Presumably the artist himself or his representatives. Whatever claims that are being made there need to be verified. The only source that has any weight is the Buckman book but again, we need to verify the claims being made that are sourced to that text. None of this would matter if other sources were available, but when it's two, and only one is really a WP:RS, we need verification. If non-English sources were found, that would help immensely. freshacconci (✉) 14:24, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Some sources. I've found the following, not sure if any of this will be enough. This is from something called How to Spend It. I have no idea what it is -- some sort of lifestyle porn? It's extremely minor as far as sources go, but it indicates that Annear is collected and it's a publication link. This is from The Guardian (good). It's a blog post (not so good) written by a composer (Jim Aitchison) primarily writing about Gerhard Richter (not so good). However, Annear is mentioned: the composer was commissioned in 2002 to write music in response to Annear's paintings. No other info is given (who commissioned it? what became of it? what media coverage was there, if any?) link. There's a brief mention in Lonely Planet Devon & Cornwall book. link. A brief mention in something called Virginia Woolf Miscellany from 1983, published by California State College, Sonoma. link. Also something in a German periodical from 1979, Die Weltkunst, Volume 79, Issues 1-3. The only text I could find was in google books link here. However, when you click on the link ("inside" the book), it only takes you to Annear's name. link. That's about it. freshacconci (✉) 14:52, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - "How to spend it" is the Financial Times' weekend glossy, which is more or less an advertorial supplement. The reference in that source is a brief one: "Dowson went on to buy further abstracts by Miemczyk and other artists, including Linear Still Life by British painter Jeremy Annear. “It’s graphic, intriguing, intensely compelling – I had to have it,” he says... Jeremy Annear wasn’t at all well known when I bought Linear Still Life, but he’s a big name now." Fiachra10003 (talk) 21:58, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And the bulk of the content was added by the same user with the edit summary "Updated CV". Szzuk (talk) 11:18, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:30, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It may have been at one point. Probably not so RS now. Setting aside its relevance or irrelevance in the Internet age, it seems to now be a web site with a submission form for artists, run by a couple who also sell the book online.104.163.147.121 (talk) 18:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus is still unclear.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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