Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Carter (baseball infielder)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 18:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Carter (baseball infielder)[edit]

Delete. Another career minor league player who is now a career minor league coach and manager. Fails the sensible parts of WP:WPBB#Players. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC) —Wknight94 (talk) 13:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NDelete - fails WP:ATHLETE.--S_RX 14:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Minor league baseball managers are notable per WP:BASEBALL "Have served as a commissioner, president, general manager, owner, coach, or manager in one of the above-mentioned leagues or affiliated minor leagues." Spanneraol (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Contrary to widespread belief, the "competitors who have competed in a fully professional league" clause of WP:ATHLETE does not pertain solely to the major leagues. This fellow's played seven seasons in triple-A? Plainly nom needs to read WP:WPBB#Players more carefully, because by that standard a single season in AAA ball's enough. RGTraynor 17:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Played six full seasons at the triple-A level, which clearly satisfies WP:ATHLETE.

From WP:WPBB#Players:

Have played in at least a whole season in AAA baseball, played in the All-Star Futures Game, won a notable Minor League Baseball award, or been selected for any minor league baseball All-star game in the affiliated minor leagues.

Come on. Before citing that it fails WP:WPBB#Players as a reason to delete this article, it would help to READ IT first. SashaNein (talk) 17:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep minor league managers have been notable even before the current guidelines. Kinston eagle (talk) 17:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clears the WP:BASEBALL guideline under multiple criteria. Townlake (talk) 18:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I do not believe minor league types should be notable, and that athletic/baseball guidelines that make them so are overly generous. The more general criteria (significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject) certainly do not apply here. RayAYang (talk) 20:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep More than meets WP:ATHLETE by having played a number of seasons in the minor leagues. As to concerns that coverage in reliable sources is not here, I am sure some could be found in the local paper of the teams he played for. Just because there are not references on the internet does not mean there are not any. -Djsasso (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. FYI, per SashaNein's (inappropriately emphatic) request, I've updated my nom. a bit. I urge the closing admin to take the advice of RayAYang (talk · contribs) and take the significant coverage part of the WP:N policy into account more than the various guidelines that have been hastily thrown together by a small subset of interested people (and Jmfangio, the sock of a banned user) who were clearly biased on one side of the argument when the guidelines were being quietly discussed. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not to be argumentative, but give the semantic distinction raised here, it bears noting that WP:N is explicitly labeled as a guideline, not a policy. Townlake (talk) 22:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Bios in encyclopedia are intended for people that are widely accepted as the elite in their profession. This person is not a notable baseball player. There are thousands upon thousands of baseball players that have accomplished as much as him. If he is equal to thousands upon thousands of other players it doesn't make any sense for there to be an article about him in an encyclopedia. For those editors that won't accept an argument at an afd discussion that doesn't include wikilinked abbreviations here goes: Delete. No coverage in WP:RS, thus not meeting WP:BIO. WP:BB is a Wikiproject, thus any notability standard they come up with doesn't trump WP:BIO. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 23:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Err, WP:ATHLETE is a subsection of WP:BIO. RGTraynor 01:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - coaches and managers are considered notable as per the guidelines of WP:BASEBALL. BWH76 (talk) 10:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notable player and manager with long career in high minors. (I'm not always a deletionist on minor league players!) BRMo (talk) 22:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.