Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jebel Ali (disambiguation)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:50, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jebel Ali (disambiguation)[edit]

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Disambiguation not required. Every entry is a partial title match of the primary topic and easily available from links on the primary topic article. PROD removed by user:MegaSloth with comment "Removed PROD - case is not clear. Proposer merely states that all entries are partial title matches. The guideline additionally states there must be "no significant risk of confusion or reference" which has not been addressed. See also talk page". My argument is there is no risk: there's only one Jebel Ali, and the metro, port, etc are clearly linked from the primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ~~Oppose~~ [Edit: clarification not change of opinion] further evidence needed to support assertions.

There's nothing wrong with the basic argument, but in my opinion your case was simply not strong enough to proceed to deletion without a discussion, which is what a PROD amounts to. You are correct that simply having the article title as a partial title match of another article does not mean further disambiguation is needed. But if the topic of the other article is known with sufficiently high frequency by the same name then disambiguation is required, per WP:PARTIAL. The articles Port of Jebel Ali and UAE Exchange (Dubai Metro) both explicitly state that their subjects are or were previously known as "Jebel Ali". The names are mentioned in bold in the introduction, which implies that they are synonyms and therefore possible alternative titles for the article (MOS:BOLDLEAD). The assertion that these pages are linked from the article has some merit, some are not terribly prominent, and would require a reader to perform an unnecessarily lengthy search. At first investigation, it seems that a full reading of WP:PARTIAL indicates that disambiguation is required.

Furthermore, you state without justification that the municipality is the primary topic. This might perhaps be casually presumed but it is emphatically not always the case. For instance, London's Gatwick Airport and Heathrow Airport were both named after settlements in their vicinity, but the airports are the primary topic for these terms and Gatwick and Heathrow link directly to those articles. At first glance, it appears Jebel Ali port is a significant facility and may in fact be the primary topic for the term "Jebel Ali", or sufficiently prominent to mean that there is no primary topic and the dismbiguation page ought to be moved to Jebel Ali. This possibility needs to be discounted with evidence before removing disambiguation completely.

In my opinion, without further evidence, although the other pages are indeed partial title matches, some or all of them are or could plausibly be known and searched for as "Jebel Ali", particularly the transport hubs as some readers may not be aware they are named after a municipality, and as such disambiguation is needed.

MegaSloth (talk) 01:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @MegaSloth:, that a good review of the argument on both sides. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2018 December 5. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 03:29, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 05:28, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: all the topics (well, most - perhaps not the refinery) are "Jebel Ali" plus a generic term, not that dissimilar from "mountain" or "river" or even "township", all of which are a kind of partial title match which I think belongs in a dab page. Each of the items could in its own context be referred to as "Jebel Ali". Seems a useful and compliant dab page. PamD 09:29, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Perfectly good DAB page, which will help readers find what they might be looking for - which is all that matters. Narky Blert (talk) 09:34, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I created the disambiguation page because I ended up at the page for the municipality while trying to get to the page for the port and saw that there was no hatnote to clarify. As PamD says, several of these topics (the port, the airport, the train station) are referred to simply as "Jebel Ali" in many contexts; I agree that the case is less clear for the refinery, and I don't know anything about seaplane bases (though I suspect that, in context, it, too, would be referred to simply as "Jebel Ali" by a pilot or air traffic controller), but I feel that there is a clear case for at least several of these articles to be disambiguated for readers who, like me, find themselves at the municipality article when they didn't know the name even referred to a municipality. -Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 13:25, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:ITSUSEFUL usually isn't a valid argument, but it is for disambiguation pages. Smartyllama (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.