Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jawan (film)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Adnan (ᵀᵃˡᵏ) 09:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jawan (film)[edit]

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This is an unreleased film. There is nothing in this article that shows significant coverage of production of the film, only run-of-the-mill reports of rumors, development (director, producer), cast members, filming, etc that is written about every unreleased film. Unreleased films are notable only if the production itself is notable. Recommend moving to Draft: space where it can continue to be developed and when the film is released, it can be submitted for review for moving to mainspace. — Archer1234 (t·c) 06:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Film. — Archer1234 (t·c) 06:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Draft: per explanation as originator — Archer1234 (t·c) 07:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This movie is definitely one of the most notable upcoming movie of Indian cinema in 2023. The teaser is releasing just a week later, we can move it to draft space untill the teaser get released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tousif.15 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: per nom. 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 14:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Its a notable film. We can also expand article with more reliable sources. --SuperSharanya (talk) 09:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It is one of the most awaited films in Bollywood. It also has noticable actors in it. Also many more updates are on the way related to Jawan. So don't delete it. -- User:MNWiki845 (talk) 10:08, 23 March 2023 (IST)
Keep: Jawan film is one of the most awaited films in Bollywood 2023, it's a very famous director and actor's film. So don't delete it, day by day expanding article with more reliable sources. Adnan (ᵀᵃˡᵏ) 08:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ItsMdAdnan, we are not talking about deleting it, but rather moving it to Draft: space. The article should only be in main space prior to the film's release, if the production of the film (not the film itself) is notable. After the film is released and it gets significant coverage in independent reliable sources, then the notability of the film can be established, and the article would be eligible to be main space. The question here is whether the production of the film is notable. Can you cite the top reliable sources that are independent of the subject (i.e., not interviews with cast or crew) that demonstrate significant coverage (i.e., not trivial, run-of-the-mill mentions). Things that might make a production of a film notable could any number of factors but ask yourself what makes this film notable (as written about in independent reliable sources) versus any other film production. Unless you want to argue that all film productions are notable, there ought to be some reasons why this production is notable, and another is not. — Archer1234 (t·c) 11:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Check, all are independent reliable sources. Here what is not reliable source? It is most anticipated film of actor after Pathaan success. I also have tried to expand filming section with more reliable sources. SuperSharanya (talk) 15:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@SuperSharanya.

How is the coverage for the production of this film any different than any other film? That might point to some reason for notability. But just citing basic facts about the production like cast & crew, filming locations, etc, is just run-of-the-mill coverage that any film would have. To me, that does not demonstrate notability.

You say "It is most anticipated film of actor after Pathaan success." Do you have an independent reliable source that says that? If not, I urge not to assert that as a claim.

WP:NFF says:

Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines.
— Archer1234 (t·c) 15:31, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This source says about It is most anticipated film of actor after Pathaan success. Please read full article clearly. SuperSharanya (talk) 15:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do not see where it says "most anticipated film of actor after Pathaan success". However, there may be some of the article that could help establish notability. The article is basically an interview with one person, Ramesh Bala, identified as a "trade expert". Are there any other independent reliable sources that talk about the production of the film in ways that are not run-of-the-mill? The more that can be cited, the more likely the production could be considered notable. — Archer1234 (t·c) 15:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't said about exact quote. I said about its content in the article. SuperSharanya (talk) 16:03, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article says about publicly released theatre video. Thanks. SuperSharanya (talk) 15:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The production is indeed notable with multiple articles about the production which can be found with a search. As somebody mentioned, it is one of the most anticipated movies in India (this again can be seen in the number of articles about the production or just by entering the following search term on Google news - Jawan "most anticipated" which returns a plethora of references from major news websites). And just for perspective here is the link to the pageviews for Jawan and Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One - [1]. Western cough cough bias. Jupitus Smart 05:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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