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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 19:39, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Javier Serafini[edit]

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Prod deleted by @NemesisAT:. Subject fails WP:NFOOTY since the Chilean second division is not fully-pro. Either way fails WP:GNG; the best source is a quick interview with Serafini published on what looks to be a fan blog. The rest are game previews/reports, passing mentions and databases. A Google search doesn't yield much either. JTtheOG (talk) 07:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: Not only per WP:HEY ―like NemesisAT (talk) says―, also because there are (apart from the blog) at least five secundary sources that directly talks about him in its content despite its titles talks about general facts which involve Serafini (like the triumph over Unión Temuco on 2 September 2012 or the ANFP website note about Lota's 2013 pre-season which refers to him as a historical player). By the other hand, Chilean Second Division is professional enough and the really not fully pro-league is the Third Division, level that is formaly professional since 2011. Hoping that you are well, and without other particular, I stay tuned to your replies. Carigval.97 (talk) 18:05, 30 July 2021 (UTC; Chile)
  • Keep: Article improvement by @Carigval.97 matches with WP: Hey. 6UNK3R (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC; Chile)
    • Comment: Appears to be a case of WP:CAST. JTtheOG (talk) 22:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: No, guy. I’m arguing according to points established in WP: Hey, because the initial case of the associate professor David Heymann coincides with Javier Serafini’s article, which after the deletion notice gradually went from having six references to twenty, added to official statistics. I think the corrections that @Carigval.97 has made match with the four expressions described at the end of the WP: Hey article. If you have doubts with the IP address you can verify it. 6UNK3R (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2021 (UTC; Chile)
  • Question - please can someone provide the WP:THREE best sources about Serafini? I can't see any significant coverage apart from the fan blog. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply: Ok, no problem @Spiderone: Here there are the sources that explicitly talks about Serafini: 1) Blog[1], 2) Game against Magallanes where he was the man of the match[2] and the 2012's video that verify his participation and two of their three goals[3] By the other hand, here there are the other sources which talks about general facts where Serafini was decisive: 1) the 1–0 triumph over Temuco[4][5] and 2) the ANFP note which referres him as an historical player.[6] Respect to this last point, I was in charge of supporting that information in statistical data that prove the importance of Serafini in Lota as the sixth player with most participations into the last professional era of the club (2002–2015); See the introduction where the article talks about Serafini's valoration alongside Rodrigo Véliz. Carigval.97 (talk) 13:24, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding. If those are the best sources available, then GNG is failed here. I'll do a full source analysis. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:53, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - fails WP:GNG per my analysis of the sources below. Those citing WP:HEY are referring to the quantity of the references but none of them meet the requirements of being both reliable and containing significant detail focused on Serafini rather than just the teams that he has played for. Some of the articles don't even mention Serafini once and the rest of the reliable sources only mention him 1 or 2 times. This article is just a synthesis of blog coverage and stats pages. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
http://aguantelota.blogspot.com/2011/04/fondo-con-javier-serafini.html ? No Blogspot is unacceptable as a source, clear Wikipedia consensus on this ~ It's a fairly basic Q&A ✘ No
https://www.livefutbol.com/ficha_jugador/javier-serafini/ Yes Yes No Stats page ✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0TiVooMAHQ&ab_channel=FutbolCreaciones No No No indication that this is a reputable channel No ✘ No
https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/2012/02/03/lota-schwager-debutara-en-collao-ante-union-temuco-en-primera-b.shtml Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.anfp.cl/noticia/16217/lota-schwager-comenzo-su-pretemporada No Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.bdfa.com.ar/lista_jugadores.asp?codigo=908&orden=ApellidoJugador&modo=DESC&cat=1 Yes Yes No Listed once ✘ No
https://int.soccerway.com/matches/2010/01/30/chile/primera-b/deportes-naval/lota-schwager/899821/ Yes Yes No Soccerway match reports have no coverage ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/44714/?t=496&s=878 Yes No Cites Wikipedia No Stats page ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/match/67357/ Yes No No Stats ✘ No
https://www.emol.com/noticias/deportes/2010/11/22/448347/resultados-12-fecha-de-la-fase-final-de-primera-b.html Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/match/89128/ Yes No No Stats ✘ No
https://www.cooperativa.cl/noticias/deportes/futbol/chile/audax-italiano-derroto-a-s-morning-en-la-florida/2010-11-19/180546.html Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.espn.cl/futbol/partido/_/juegoId/309982 Yes Yes No Stats only ✘ No
https://200.91.40.217/cdf/primera-b/lota-gano-por-el-honor-ante-el-campeon-m-iquique/2010-11-28/183005.html Yes ? No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.latercera.com/noticia/u-la-calera-esta-a-un-triunfo-de-volver-a-primera-tras-25-anos/ Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/match/89133/ Yes No No Stats ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/match/114176/ Yes No No Stats ✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20210731152311/https://200.91.40.217/cdf/primera-b/video-habla-serafini-el-heroe-de-lota-en-el-empate-frente-a-magallanes/2011-09-20/105758.html Yes Yes ~ Routine interview at the end of a match, no way is this enough to justify an article ~ Partial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5xti5ZY9uQ&ab_channel=SigaelDeporte No No No indication of fact checking for this channel No ✘ No
http://aguantelota.blogspot.com/2011/09/con-mas-corazon-que-futbol-magallanes-1.html No No Blogspot No Passing mentions only ✘ No
https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/2012/02/03/lota-schwager-debutara-en-collao-ante-union-temuco-en-primera-b.shtml Yes Yes No Mentioned once ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/match/123794/ Yes No No Stats ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/44714/?t=847&s=878 Yes No No Stats ✘ No
https://www.soychile.cl/Coronel/Deportes/2012/09/02/116560/Lota-Schwager-gana-como-local-10-Union-Temuco.aspx Yes Yes No Routine match report, no depth ✘ No
https://www.soychile.cl/Temuco/Deportes/2012/09/02/116475/Union-Temuco-salta-a-la-cancha-para-medirse-con-Lota-Schwager-en-Coronel.aspx Yes Yes No Match report mention, no depth ✘ No
https://www.soychile.cl/Coronel/Deportes/2013/02/03/152266/Mas-de-500-hinchas-de-Lota-Schwager-participaron-de-la-presentacion-del-plantel-2013-en-la-Tarde-Minera.aspx Yes Yes No Another match report that fails to analyse Serafini in detail ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/44714/?t=1031&s=878 Yes No No Stats ✘ No
https://www.football-lineups.com/match/151745/ Yes No No Stats ✘ No
http://www.tigosports.com.py/futbol/rambert-vera-resalta-todo-lo-vivido-con-la-seleccion Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
https://www.elfutbolero.com.ec/liga-pro-bdp/2021/2/20/figura-campeon-con-liga-de-quito-lo-que-hace-en-la-actualidad-enrique-vera-12272.html Yes Yes No Not mentioned ✘ No
https://int.soccerway.com/players/-/114598/ Yes Yes No Every footballer has a Soccerway page, it's not indicative of notability ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, now I really understand, @Spiderone: I'll accept any future result (surely the deletion). Carigval.97 (talk) 16:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Carigval.97: thank you. The discussion is still open, though, and any user is welcome to contest any of my opinions in the table above and/or bring extra sources into the table which have detailed analysis of Serafini in some way or form. Worth noting that, in some cases, no amount of effort can bring an article to pass GNG and some footballers just don't meet the criteria, unfortunately. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:37, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Base sources about Serafini[edit]

  1. ^ "A fondo con: Javier Serafini". Aguante Lota. 25 April 2011. Retrieved 29 June 2021.
  2. ^ "Habla Serafini, héroe de Lota en el empate frente a Magallanes". Wayback Machine (CDF). 20 September 2011. Retrieved 31 July 2021.
  3. ^ "Javier Serafini HD". YouTube. 15 April 2012. Retrieved 31 July 2021.
  4. ^ "Lota Schwager ganó 1-0 como local a Unión Temuco". Soy Chile. 12 September 2012. Retrieved 31 July 2021.
  5. ^ Tobares, Robinson (2 September 2012). "Unión Temuco perdió 1-0 frente a Lota Schwager en Coronel". Soy Chile. Retrieved 29 July 2021.
  6. ^ "Lota Schwager comenzó su pretemporada". ANFP. 4 January 2013. Retrieved 29 July 2021.
  • Delete - Article about semi-pro footballer which fails WP:GNG (thanks to Spiderone for the comprehensive review of available sources). Jogurney (talk) 14:57, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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