Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Javier Saade

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Javier Saade[edit]

The result was Delete. There were valid comments on both sides of the debate. I was quite taken by Jmundo's comments and considered long and hard. In the end it wasn't the majority of delete !votes that convinced, but the consistent argument from the deleters that Javier Saade wasn't shown to be notable, and that other than promotional material from GEM (copied onto various sites) there was nothing significant about him on the sources given, nor on a search I conducted myself. Notability was asserted in the article by implication that he was the guiding force behind a major financial institution, however this was not proved. Sources from GEM showed that he was one of a number of senior figures. It is also noteworthy that his company does not have an article on Wikipedia. SilkTork *YES! 01:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails notability criteria - I cannot find multiple non-trivial mentions in independent, reliable sources to support notability. In addition, the references provided in the article merely mention his name in passing or are not independent of the subject. Prod was contested by anon editor with no reason given. Somno (talk) 10:08, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The combination of being managing director of the GEM group and being a founder of Air America Radio means that some people will be interested in reading an article about him. Arid Zkwelty (talk) 11:55, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Following reasoning by Somno. It's important to note that he is not "the" managing director -- nearly all the employees listed at GEM are "managing directors" of something (or better) [1]. As for being a "founder" of Air America Radio ... in several minutes' search I didn't find anything indicating he was more than an "Executive Vice President" -- in a hugely long list of "associated" people [http:/(blacklisted Wiki link)/focus/f-news/1467631/posts] -- in a company that's filed for Chapter 11 [2]. He's simply listed in the Radio Daze article as an "investor". There isn't evidence he's done anything notable, except to invest money and hold titles. Piano non troppo (talk) 15:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 02:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The piece seems to meet the basic criteria need for entry. There are several good references and the person is notable due to his achievements. I feel certain that such information will be of interest to a certain block of people. Royalhistorian (talk) 06:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The question is what do the sources actually say about this subject? Is the coverage substantial? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the "several good references", and are you able to add them to the article? The independent references currently in the article are not about Saade and simply mention his name once (the reference from the website of the company he works for is not independent and cannot be used to support notability). I see nothing special in his achievements that justifies an encyclopedia article, especially considering the lack of sources. Somno (talk) 04:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete because I'm not convinced that the sources establish notability. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:28, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Insufficient notability per guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:34, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete--no notability established, although plenty asserted, per Piano. Drmies (talk) 02:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Managing director of an important company is notable, and this is, based on its size. The refs are adequate for the purpose. We tend to have a cultural bias with respect to the commercial world. DGG (talk) 07:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As Piano non troppo pointed out earlier, the company (which doesn't have an article on Wikipedia hence there's no merge or redirect target) has several directors and managing directors. Saade is just one of them. He's not the director, he's not a founder -- he's just someone in the hierarchy. The refs aren't adequate for establishing notability, because none are actually about him at all. Somno (talk) 09:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Uhm. An investment site. He's the second author on what looks like a white paper to encourage investment. (There's a charge or login to read it.) Marketing staff at any level may be assigned to write such. In Google, there is no reference to the article, except Wiki and the site itself. Piano non troppo (talk) 02:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Journal of Private Equity is a peer reviewed journal with an advisory board and the editor is a professor at the University of Chigaco.--Jmundo (talk) 06:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Piano summed it up quite well. Trusilver 07:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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