Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janghye of Gojoseon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 07:58, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Janghye of Gojoseon[edit]

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I'm tagging this with deletion as a stand-in for all kings in Template:Gija Joseon monarchs except for Jizi, Bu, and Jun, which are kings attested in ancient Chinese sources. The articles in question are:

This should be all.

The issue is that virtually all these articles have only four primary sources as references. All primary sources amount to an identical genealogy which is quite literally a series of entries that only say "King XX, name Y. Ruled OO years." There is no mention about anything that these kings did, so that even a level of detail found in e.g. Rud Hud Hudibras is impossible. None of these kings have entered popular culture or such, so there is no avenue for expansion that way. In other words, these four-sentence Wikipedia articles say everything there is to say about these supposed kings; no further detail is possible.

More seriously, as the List of fictitious kings in Korean genealogies article now correctly states, all these supposedly Bronze and Iron Age kings are seventeenth-century fabrications. So I'm not really sure the current articles hold up to WP:NOTABILITY, when no expansion is possible and none of these kings are historical or even semi-historical. At least the Sumerian King List articles, if similarly terse, are genuinely from the Bronze Age.

If not deleted, the fact that these kings are fictitious at least needs to be mentioned in all these articles. Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 04:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 04:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NB: I would also like to add that unlike e.g. Historia Regum Britanniae, whose cultural importance justifies the notability of its monarchs, the genealogies in question were not considered very important by Koreans outside the relevant descent groups either in the seventeenth century or now in 2020, to the point that a search on DBPIA (an aggregator of Korean-language academic publications) yields only two relevant academic treatments of the topic.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 05:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete we lack any sourcing that proves this was a real person, and we lack the level of sourcing to show a probably fictional individual still has notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom's convincing arguments. -TheseusHeLl (talk) 12:44, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural note A large number of articles have been tagged as being nominated for deletion with this AfD. But those articles have not been identified here. @Karaeng Matoaya: all kings in Template:Gija Joseon monarchs except for Jizi, Bu, and Jun, is not enough, please list each article title here. SD0001 (talk) 15:04, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SD0001: Done, thank you for the note. There's quite a lot of these four-sentence articles, as you can see.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 15:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.