Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janette Smith

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:46, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Janette Smith[edit]

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This apparent autobiography does not indicate how its subject meets WP:BIO, and a Google search does not immediately provide links to the required substantial coverage. Sandstein 22:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable. Probable vanity page. --MelanieN (talk) 01:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)MelanieN[reply]
Delete, appears to fail notability, coming close to A7 speedy. Nyttend (talk) 03:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm hard pressed to understand how something with several assertions of notability (remember, that's all an article has to do to avoid speedy deleting) is "close to A7". That said, I very vaguely remember trying to spiff this one up last summer and welcoming a new user and guiding her on the COI guidelines. The references are thin, but they are there. She has appeared on national television (US) programming and several high profile local programming as well. I'm not around anymore, and frankly forgot about this article, but at the time I felt it worth inclusion and spent a brief amount of time on it. Reading it again, it does need more cleanup, and removal of some spammy language. Not delete though. Overall, a Weak keep. Keeper | 76 17:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable. She is the Director of Media for Fred Hammond Family Entertainment. "Media for Fred Hammond Family Entertainment" returns zero Ghits, "Fred Hammond Family Entertainment" returns 22 Ghits. She was Executive Director of Media for Creflo Dollar Ministries, another non-notable org that returns 7 hits. "Janette R Smith anchorwoman waff" returns no useful links supporting that she should be notable for being second African-American woman to anchor a prime time newscast in the Huntsville market. Power.corrupts (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CommentFirst, please forgive me for being a newbie and perhaps not understanding all protocol, but there are several people on Wikipedia (former and current news people) who have pages that directly linked from wikipedia pages for the stations they worked for. I have not only worked in two of the top 10 markets and am listed as 'notable' on each, but have also hosted two shows on national networks for over 6 years (DIY and HGTV) one that remained in syndication.

Creflo Dollar Ministries is one of the largest churches in the country and is often in the news. (including TIME magazine which I believe is referenced) Unfortunately, it's good and bad press. I don't know what Ghits are...but that can't be google hits. Creflo Dollar Ministries returns 69,700 results.(Creflo Dollar himself returns 200,000 results) Fred Hammond Family Entertainment Inc. (which returns 32,400 google results) is two year old company and while it is new, FRED HAMMOND (who also has an extensive career history and page here on Wikipedia - returning 822,000 google results) is a Gospel trailblazer and considered among the top 3. C

Lastly, on a personal note- I wonder why all this has come about on my page when I just worked to find links to verify everything listed in bio. Keeper did help by cleaning up things...which I have NOT touched. I only added links to meet criteria and ask for help to post a picture. Perhaps that is seen as vanity, but most all profiles have a picture.

If you do decide to delete my profile, will you be deleting all others like it? Thank you for your continued discussion. 08:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnette66 (talk • contribs)

As a newbie you probably didn't realize this, but Wikipedia guidelines strongly discourage writing an article about yourself. See Wikipedia:Autobiography. --MelanieN (talk) 03:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)MelanieN[reply]

Comment Yes Melanie, I admit that to be true. I noticed many collegues had links to their own pages via former networks or affiliates

and thought I would add one too. I humbly share though that I was only submitting it for reference sake and was very appreciative for the guidance I got from Keeper/Wikipedia expert because I do respect protocol (helps to know what it is I admit)and so I ask... if I am within guidelines for being eligible for a reference bio page - can't I get assitance with whatever needs to be updated, deleted, brought into be compliance amd standing, particularly when other pages exist without being contested or challenged? I submit that I had did not have full information on the process and only followed by example. 07:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnette66 (talk • contribs)

Well, Janette, I think you should have every chance to prove "notability" by Wikipedia standards. So I went to your article and inserted a few references, and I deleted the complaint about the article not having any references.

Here's the problem, and here's what people need to see to establish that you are "notable": there need to be some mentions of you in journalism sources, independent third-party sources - newspapers, magazines, etc. Some of your "external links" could serve that purpose, except that for many of them it's impossible to tell the source of the information because they are from a Zoom cache, which doesn't (as far as I could see) give any information about where the article comes from, who wrote it and when, where it appeared, etc. So see if you can locate some actual articles about yourself in mainstream sources, and list them as references with all the source information. If you look at how I did it you will see how to make them into references.

For more information see Wikipedia:Notability (people). Summary in a nutshell: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." --MelanieN (talk) 16:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)MelanieN[reply]

Comment Thank you MelanieN for solid information and assistance. I understand your point about the cache pages. Unfortunately, the work the newspaper articles and other references were referring to spanned 1995 - 2002. Therefore, many have been deleted to include more current personality bios and information. However, the Zoom info link you included contains most all the articles I found in cache versions and even refernces their sources. (e.g. Eclipse magazine/Dallas. Fox5 website entry, DIY website..etc.) With that said what would you recommend I do with the other cache references i posted. Delete them? I did list the Dove award article and HBFF article for reference sake. Again, thank you for your time and consideration.

07:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnette66 (talk • contribs)

No, I wouldn't suggest that you delete any of your references. I would simply add some that are verifiable. If you know the source and date information of any of your cached references, you can add that information to your citation.

I'm glad you understand that this is not about evaluating YOU, your career and your significance. It's all about the outside sources - who has said what about you. Those outside citations - recognition by unrelated third parties - are what Wikipedia requires to determine "notability". --MelanieN (talk) 16:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)MelanieN[reply]

Response I do understand and again, I think some of the other comments confused me a bit, but your information and clear direction plus that provided by "Keeper" help untangle the debate for me. Thank you again. I will work on what you have shared.19:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnette66 (talk • contribs)

Comment To MelanieN and Keeper...I found the 'published on' dates for the references listed and have added them, as well as the wiki links to

the two notable gentlemen mentioned that I worked for. I was hoping someone could look it over and see if I'm on the right track. Thank you very much for your time.05:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Does not meet notability guidelines. Perhaps information (but on a smaller scale) on the media director can be included in an article about the company, the Fred Hammond Family Entertainment. This article has yet to be created.--Pink Bull 18:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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