Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Langton

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

James Langton[edit]

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Does not meet credibility standards for a boxer. Charlie the Pig (talk) 01:27, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Boxing according to this Jame Langton does meet the Creditation and Notable enough to be on Wikipedia. Langton has won the NZNBF Boxing title which is one of the two National boxing titles in New Zealnd that is available. "Has fought for a regular/full national...." this is a title if a full national title. --Bennyaha (talk) 01:49, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Here are all the Newspaper Articles and fight profiles plus more on google on langtons notibility, career and accreditation http://coastalrugby.co.nz/senior-centurions/ http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/sport/2732266/Caped-crusader-ready-to-run-riot http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/sport/69767258/Langton-gets-the-business-done-in-front-of-vocal-home-crowd http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/sport/67655437/langton-to-focus-on-boxing-career http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/sport/69695624/opunake-set-to-rumble-with-big-fight-night http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11507577 http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/boxing/354690/boxing-betham-eyes-nz-cruiserweight-title http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2015/10/13/news/november-3-super-8-card-finalized http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/283290/monty-betham-to-fight-for-nz-cruiserweight-belt http://boxrec.com/boxer/643948 http://www.fightsrec.com/james-langton.html http://boxrec.com/show/715366 http://boxrec.com/show/719792 --Bennyaha (talk) 02:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a photo of the official results that is exclusive to the Boxrec editors and Boxing officials like myself stating that James Langton is the New Zealand National full Champion

--Bennyaha (talk) 02:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is something that was written about James for Opunake's 150 Years celebration. It doesn't include anything from 2015 though... James “Batman” Langton is Opunake’s first professional heavyweight boxer. Originally a rugby player, James had a long career playing for Coastal from its inception till it first won the Division 1 Championship in 2009. He was the first player to play over 200 division 1 games for Coastal (playing in excess of 300 games for Coastal and Opunake clubs combined) and donated the Cup 200 which is played for annually between Coastal and Southern Clubs and honours any player that has reached the milestone of 200 senior A games for the clubs. James was named Coastal most valuable player of the season numerous times and also had success playing for Taranaki colts, B and 7’s teams as well as a New Zealand youth team which toured the United Kingdom. After taking a couple of years break from sport in which he focussed on family, James decided to check out the Coastal Boxing Club and try boxing for fitness. It wasn’t long before James realised he still had the drive to compete at a high sporting level and in 2013 proved the adage that life begins at 40 when he became a professional boxer. James’ first two boxing matches were in Wellington against up and coming boxer Asher Derbyshire. James lost these first two fights in a points decision but these were important learning opportunities as he had not had the amateur boxing career that would normally pre-empt a professional boxing debut. At the conclusion of 2014 James was on a five fight winning streak. His first win was against Ali Brooks of Hawera who he knocked out in the fourth round in December 2013. On Valentine’s Day 2014, James had his second win with a technical knockout of Bernard Higgins from Auckland in the second round. Both fights were at “Sam Rapira Boxing” events in New Plymouth. In July 2014 James and his wife Kelly put on the Coastal Rumble at Sandfords Event Centre which is understood to be Opunake’s first professional boxing event. On the card were a number of “corporate” bouts featuring well-known Coastal and Taranaki-wide personalities with James fighting Dean Garmonsway of Huntly as the main event. James won the fight in a split decision which was not readily accepted by his opponent. September saw James notch up his fourth win, a unanimous points decision in which he fought as a cruiserweight against Atalili Fai of Wellington. At the same event Sam Rapira won the NZ light-heavyweight title. Then in November Dean Garmonsway had an opportunity for retribution at a rematch at the Waitara Fight Night. However, it was not to be and James won again in a points decision finishing 2014 undefeated. James’ boxing career is ongoing and he is currently deciding whether to continue fighting as a heavyweight or cruiserweight. In 2015 he looks forward to many more bouts including potentially headlining at another Coastal Rumble and taking on even stronger competition. It's in a book called Opunake 1865-2015 150 Years Centennial. The ISBN is 978-0-473-31369-8

Played 230 games for Coastal Rugby Club but played over 300 Senior A games for all clubs he represented. Retired after Coastal won the Taranaki Championship (McMasters Shield) in 2009. Played as a loose forward, mainly open side flanker - no 7. Was named MVP for the season 3 times for Coastal. Represented Taranaki Colts in 95 and 96 and Taranaki 7s in 1999. Also played for the Youth Sports Federation of NZ in its Five Nations tour in 1995.

--Bennyaha (talk) 02:30, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Has fought for a regular/full national or higher non-world title for an affiliated organization of one of the above listed major sanctioning bodies (e.g., IBF-affiliated (USBA), WBA-affiliated (BUI or PABA), WBC-affiliated (ABCO, BBBofC (and its predecessor the NSC), EBU (and its predecessor the IBU), NABF, or OPBF), or WBO-affiliated (NABO))" Charlie the Pig (talk) 02:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, do you personally know James Langton? Charlie the Pig (talk) 02:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC

No I do not no James Langton personally, I am the New Zealand Editor of Boxrec its my job to know all of this and backgrounds of boxers, I know his manager in a professional level --Bennyaha (talk) 02:55, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I also know that the IBO, WBA, WBO, IBF and WBC recognize New Zealand Natioanl Boxing Federation (NZNBF) and New Zealand Professional Boxing Associtation (NZPBA) as full National titles. There are two National titles in NZ thats NZNBF and NZPBA --Bennyaha (talk) 02:59, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can show you with the help of boxrec of a dozen events where nznbf and nzpba work together at boxing events with both of them being recognized by the major sanctioning bodies an affiliating with them.--Bennyaha (talk) 03:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be willing to wait for other contributors to comment? Charlie the Pig (talk) 03:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

sure--Bennyaha (talk) 03:34, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment will vote later. WP:NBOX is pretty clear which titles are considered notable for professional boxing with the long standing consensus that National titles per se are not. That is true for much larger countries than New Zealand (including US, Russia, etc) - the list of acceptable organizations are given and actually there have been grumblings that the standards are too loose there are just so many possibilities. Amateur titles are different and count if, and again the criteria are clear, the nation has some respectability in boxing. New Zealand scrapes in with a single bronze in the World Amateur Boxing Championships.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:14, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment The contributor has recently written a number of articles on New Zealand Professional boxers some of questionable notability. I did not AfD any for a number of reasons the most important being that I have a number of active deletions on far worse articles (I prefer to limit myself) and also there is a hole in wikipedia with respect to New Zealand boxing. The articles are half decently written so personally I was content to tag them for the moment. These points have no bearing on the current AfD - just saying.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:03, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Appears to fail NBOX. Article is truly awful in a number of respects and appears to be promotional rather than encyclopedic. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 05:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Delete I agree that he fails NBOX, but the problem lies the most NZ boxers would. That to my mind would leave NZ wiki users bereft of information in this field. He is notable in NZ boxing with coverage in major national papers, but not so outside NZ. On the grounds on NZ coverage I would prefer a keep decision. NealeFamily (talk) 02:17, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That is true of every single country - most boxers don't meet WP:NBOX and for each country a number who do. New Zealand has almost a 100 boxers with articles - a number consistent with their strength in the boxing world. I don't see an inherent need to treat boxers from New Zealand or any other country differently.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:44, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to delete based on PRehse above and further research NealeFamily (talk) 00:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per nominator.Peter Rehse (talk) 11:54, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non notable boxer and coverage is routine sports reporting.Mdtemp (talk) 15:28, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non notable at all --Angry Bald English Villian Man (talk) 07:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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