Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Forrest (baseball)

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The result was keep. Stifle (talk) 14:39, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

James Forrest (baseball)[edit]

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Notability concerns. Only references are statistical databases. Does not meet WP:NBASE - the Lincoln Giants were not in a major league level Negro league when he played (a total of 11 games) for the team. No other coverage found; as there are many other people of this name it is possible I missed something. User:力百 (alt of power~enwiki, π, ν) 18:55, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. User:力百 (alt of power~enwiki, π, ν) 18:55, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. User:力百 (alt of power~enwiki, π, ν) 18:55, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Carolina-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep The NY Lincoln Giants are one on the most formidable pre-Negro league teams out there, having been the 1912-1913, 1915, 1917-1918 East champs. League play did not organize in the East until 1923, & the NY Lincoln Giants are considered a major-league-caliber pre-Negro league team. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 21:07, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This doesn't qualify for a speedy keep, even if NBASE is met. User:力百 (alt of power~enwiki, π, ν) 21:19, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Looking at the spirit and intent of NPBase, a player from a historically important league should be presumed notable even if this particular league isn't mentioned. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 20:33, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets the spirit of WP:NBASE, such is the purpose of SNGs for pre-internet figures. Curbon7 (talk) 04:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:34, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Even if Forrest meets WP:NBASE, that doesn’t mean the article must be kept. In my eyes, Forrest doesn’t meet the overarching WP:GNG. Yes, he played during times where sources that documented him are somewhere but maybe it’s hard to find (and he has a difficult name to boot). Still, the article has two sources, and they are both statistical databases which cannot contribute to notability. I couldn’t find any sources myself, and those who support to Keep have not provided any sources either. RolledOut34 // (talk) // (cont) 03:26, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Bison X and Curbon7. With the Negro League now considered a Major League, playing for the Lincoln Giants at least meets the spirit of NBASE, and the subject of pre-integration black players is an area where I think it makes sense to interpret our guidelines more rather than less inclusively. While coverage may be difficult to find, that is not unexpected for a subject whose primary notability came more than 100 years ago. Rlendog (talk) 19:07, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed that Home Run Johnson was included on this year's Hall of Fame ballot and his playing for the NY Lincoln Giants and the Brooklyn Royal Giants of the same league was used as part of the justification in his bio, which confirms for me that we should be considering NY Lincoln Giants players of that era to meet NBASE. Rlendog (talk) 22:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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