Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaise Jose (3rd nomination)

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:40, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jaise Jose[edit]

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Non notable actor who fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. The said actor is a businessman who acts in blink and you miss roles in Malayalam movies. The last AfD was closed as having No consensus WP:NPASR due to lack of participation, and the one before that was a delete. All the references mentioned are about movies in which the said person has acted in, with just his name mentioned, for being a member of the cast. Since the last AfD, a single purpose account which uses the actor's name has even added his picture, indicating a possible case of COI. Jupitus Smart 04:21, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:40, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 11:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I have updated my point last time as well. This actor is a familiar face of Mollywood now. I believe I have added valid references as well.Rajeshbieee (talk) 13:33, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You were the only one who commented last time as well, @Rajeshbieee:. Tell me which of the sources discusses the actor in depth. All the WP:RS sources you have added are about the movies in which the said person has acted in, and just mention that Jaise Jose was one of the cast members. You have also added some non WP:RS sources and an interview in a small channel as references, none of which are can be accepted as references. Per your own user page you have appeared as an actor in Manal Naharam and Sand City (both of which are dubbed versions of the same movie) indicating a possible case of WP:COI or maybe even WP:PAID in getting your co-actor a Wikipedia page.You have also waxed eloquent about Jaise Jose's performance in those movies as "Jose was noticed by the industry after his powerful performance as James, an arrogant expat getting reformed in Manal Naharam, the Tamil film directed by Oru Thalai Ragam Shankar". None of this is mentioned in the 2 online sources you have provided, both of which just mention that Jaise Jose is one among the characters. As for familiarity, I don't think anybody has seen Sand City (which didn't get the cash registers ringing though I heard that it was a good movie) to know about Jaise Jose's powerful performances. While I have watched most of the movies you have mentioned in the filmography, I don't remember his character in most movies, except Welcome to Central Jail. And familiarity or the lack of it is not the metric for notability, its the existence of proper sources. Jupitus Smart 16:05, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I am aware of the actor Jaise Jose from his role in Manal Naharam. He is an actor acting in Malayalam cinema but his role in Manal Naharam was well noticed and even garnered praise in the Tamil screen4screen review [[1]] that mentions his name and states that all actors have performed their roles well and he is one of the lead actors in the film. Venkateswaran Ganesan (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see an editor who has hardly edited in the last year turn up to vote for Jaise Jose. A look at your editor interaction with the user above (Rajeshbiee) indicates an almost 100% match - [2]. I am however not interested in initiating an SPI and will discuss about your vote. You might know that Jaise Jose acted in Manal Naharam, and so would the handful of people who watched the said movie. However what you don't know is how references are added in Wikipedia. Read WP:ICTF to know what are the sources considered as reliable with respect to Indian Cinema, and how blog sites like screen4screen.com cannot be considered as WP:RS. Read WP:BASIC to know how in-depth coverage in reliable sources is required to establish notability. Tell me which of the reliable sources in the Jaise Jose article cover the person besides mentioning his name. Most of them just mention that he was one among the cast members in some movies (I have discussed this in detail above). Anyway as I mentioned above, familiarity or the lack of it is not the criteria for notability in articles, but its the presence of proper sources which discuss the person.Jupitus Smart 22:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades^Godric 15:44, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. He appears never to have had a major role in a film. The most impt seems to have been in Manal Haharam and it's not enough for notability. The refs seem to mention him only peripherially. DGG ( talk ) 08:29, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The article currently does not contain, and searches do not turn up the type of in-depth sourcing needed to show he passes WP:GNG. And he certainly does meet the criteria of WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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