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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete the article. Take some of the more intriguing incidents and put them in the main article, but this is mostly a fancruft list of mundane injuries (given that the subject is Jackie Chan). —Kurykh 22:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Chan Injury List[edit]

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Very big example of fancruft. We don't need to learn about how Jackie Chan got shards of glass up his buttocks while he was filming. Either deletion or merging into the individual movie articles would be the best choice. bibliomaniac15 BUY NOW! 02:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Delete. You've got to be kidding me. There may be a place for this, but Wikipedia ain't it. Take the fancruft elsewhere, pronto. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 03:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak merge to Jackie Chan only because I know Jackie Chan himself loves to talk about all of the times he has been injured while filming his movies. --Hnsampat 03:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment; *if* this is notable information, then it should not be merged directly into Jackie Chan. The parent article is already long, and adding a long list to the end would be counter-productive. Separating long lists of otherwise notable information is one way of avoiding bloat in parent articles. Fourohfour 17:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Swift Delete as patent fancruft. The place this belongs is precisely where it's located: on the Official Jacky Chan Injury Map. --Nonstopdrivel 04:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete. Listcruft. What next, list of body blemishes on Jackie Chan? Puh-leeze. Realkyhick 08:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Jackie Chan, it's notable that he nackers himself so regularly on films and it's something he brings up alot. Too crufty and not notable enough for an article of it's own, but I would recommend we stop short of deleting the information outright. Elmo 08:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete trivia that does not need to crowd the Jackie Chan article. Doczilla 09:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into main articles for movies - but only in the text where appropriate, not as trivia. east.718 10:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Jackie Chan is famous for his injuries during filming. These are non trivial injuries too. The facts go beyond the interest of fans, so deserve to be kept somewhere. Sure the article needs some more references. GB 11:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and clean up Jackie Chan's injuries have been widely documented and even referenced in popular culture, (such as in Celebrity Deathmatch before his fight with Claude Van Damm). This makes it a notable subject outside of Jackie Chan fans. Chan has also mentioned his injuries when he was in Stefan Raab's TV Total comedy show. So, I'll just go and clean up the list. Also, had this been merged into the Jackie Chan article, it would make it disproportionate (which was why I deleted the whole section on its article).--Kylohk 12:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and clean upThe injury list have been seperated from the main article, and this subsection should be kept, i will provide references at a later time, but anyone who wants to do so in the mean time please go ahead. As far as i know all the injury listed have been documented one way or the other, and since jackie chan is listed in the guiness book of record as the actor with the most stunts and injuries, this section should be kept.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DaliusButkus (talk • contribs)
  • Strong Delete as horrible fancruft. Eusebeus 13:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. His injuries in a stunt is very notable. He was inspired by fans and MTV.--Edtropolis 14:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This article is a long list of trivia, which is to be avoided within articles, so why have an article that is nothing but trivia? This fancruft can safely go back into the Jackie Chan article in a much abbreviated form (maybe a mention of the Guinness Record), but we don't need to list out every single last bruise. - BierHerr 15:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. It is only a list for notable and documented or witnessed injuries, so i say keep, since this is unprecendented in the acting stage, and it's been removed from the main article and subcategoried, it should be kept, else i will reinstate it within the main article, can't see where all the fuss come from. fancraft is an invalid reason for deletion, for those calling this fancraft please do some research on the topic before saying it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.199.10 (talk • contribs)
    • Comment Note that the inclusion of the list in the main article itself would cause disproportionation. In fact, his injuries have already been mentioned in the stunts section.--Kylohk 15:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and clean up. Worth retaining as facts about a notable actor's life/career, but separated from main article to keep main article a reasonable length. I'd recommend also including further info about the circumstances of the injuries, and to include this info in articles about individual films. --Ace of Swords 17:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep he's one of the most famous people in the world , so it is notable. IP198 19:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Not a very good reason. Ozzie Osbourne is famous, but we don't keep track of all the times he was stoned or stuff. bibliomaniac15 BUY NOW! 20:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    First you said it is all fancraft now you compare it to ozzie osbourne being stoned, pick on your side of the argument and stick with it, so you probably agree this list of injuries are not fan made fiction now, but your comparing injuries with drug abuse is pointless, i say strong keep cause to seperate the injury list from the main article.
  • Strong delete. Jackie Chan is very notable; every little injury he sustains, however, is not. Wikipedia is not a celebrity medical file. Arkyan • (talk) 21:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Reliable sources do exist about his injuries, in fact, they have been added to the article. For instance, his Guinness Book of World Records does mention that he can never get insurance. His injuries definitely must be noted for the award to mention it.--Kylohk 21:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If I may be so bold as to sum up the delete opinions, I think most would agree that a paragraph in the Jackie Chan article mentioning the fact that he has many injuries and that he holds a World Record will suffice. There is no encyclopedic reason to LIST every injury. So my opinion is to sweep this back into the main article (as a summarizing paragraph, not an all-inclusive list so as to avoid making that article too long, as is your concern) and delete the unnecessary "List Of" article. - BierHerr 23:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Jackie Chan as an injured actor is notable, and does deserve its own article, even if every little detail is not notable for its own separate article. There is no reason to keep wikipedia small, we can go into detail. If each item on the list has been reported in multiple media, then there is justification for including it in a list. GB 03:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Jackie Chan or the movies... whatever is the best option, not sure if a separate list of his injuries is really necessary. The references can be transferred of course to the appropriates--JForget 00:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep and cleanup As you see improvements and referencing have already started with this article, so i say give it time to improve, and keep it seperate from the main Jackie Chan page, just like his filmography.
  • Delete as much as I like watching his movies, this is excessive trivia and since the main article already covers injuries proportionately, this article must go. Not everything that is sourced and verifiable is encyclopedic. Resurgent insurgent 06:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep But only if we can confirm, per User:DaliusButkus, that Jackie Chan is listed in the Guiness Book of Records as the actor with the most stunts and injuries. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletions. -- Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment [1] This link, from Jackie Chan Kids (the kids section of the official Jackie Chan website) talks about the Guinness World Records (Use the text search, search for "Guinness"). Note that the official Guinness World Records website does not list all records, if you want further verification, you can always send a text message request to their specified number.--Kylohk 08:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:TRIVIA.--Jerry 20:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment The WP:TRIVIA does not recommend deleting at all, but recommends that the article should be reorganised into a text format rather than a list of facts. GB 06:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename to List of injuries suffered by Jackie Chan or Merge to Jackie Chan, as Jackie Chan is notable for his injuries, amongst other things. 70.55.86.40 04:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and cleanup. I agree with HongQiGong's comments. Magioladitis 07:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Guy gets hurts a lot, he deserves a whole article devoted to his injuries. 71.126.192.8 15:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge some of it to Jackie Chan. Does not deserve a separate article, but Jackie's injuries are a significant part of his biography. -- MightyWarrior 09:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Merging the article is not a good idea, since the biography would become disproportionate.--Kylohk 11:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Its a good article. Mr Tan 12:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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