Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jackie Bruno

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tomwsulcer presented some sources, but nobody seems to have been impressed by them and MB presented some good arguments why they're insufficient. As with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrea Ciliberti, if the SNG discussion takes a surprising turn and ends up supporting this being kept, ping me. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Bruno[edit]

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Bruno is only marginally notable as Miss Massachusetts USA, but this is not enough on its own to establish notability. Her work as a local television journalist is not enough to make her notable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:05, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The creator of this article used the account name Jtbruno. Bruno's middle name is Theresa. The account used to create this article has made 5 edits to Wikipedia, all connected with creating this article. This highly suggests that the person making this article was engaged in making an autobiogrpahical article, which is both against policy, and generally if someone has to create an article on themselves they are not overly notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:10, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I believe you are in error when you state that the creator of the article was Jtbruno. Jtbruno did not edit the article until 2009. If you click on oldest in the history you'll see it was actually created in January of 2008 by Alyssa2007. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:56, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Sources include in-depth and in-depth and in-depth and in-depth and a paragraph and quote and in-depth. Further, she is a working reporter with on-scene coverage of the Boston Marathon bombing and politics and interviewing celebrities. Easily meets the WP:GNG. Note -- the nominator has been mass-AfD-ing wiki-pages of beauty contestants, which suggests there has not been much effort made in assessing any particular contestant, so nominations should be reviewed with a skeptical point-of-view.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:22, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Concur with nominator. Winning a single state level beauty pageant does not establish notability (established in other AFDs - e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keena Bonella). The sources listed above as "in-depth" are not; they are mostly interviews with her and trivial coverage related to her entry in Miss Massachusetts. The others concerning her news reporting just document a reporter doing routine work for the position. MB 23:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:03, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Miss Massachusetts USA as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there. Another option is to redirect to New England Cable News. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to New England Cable News (Miss Massachusetts USA) can link to her there. I searched pretty hard, and there were stories about her when she won not one but 2 statewide beauty pageants, so this is borderline. I would have iVoted keep if I could have found any significant, secondary coverage of here career as a newsreader. But I can't. There should be a favorable attitude towards keeping or re-creating this article if c/when coverage of her career surfaces.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project. No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular (talk) 00:46, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (or Redirect, but less preferred). Neither pageant win nor TV career make the subject independently notable. Delete is preferred; otherwise a redirect to Miss Massachusetts USA would define subject's accomplishments solely in the pageant win, which seems a bit demeaning. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:20, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The discussion on pageant winners' notability is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with participants variously advocating that (1) state level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; or (3) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between the these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD, which is trying to establish whether the subject meets GNG. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:20, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep for now, pending outcome of SNG pageant RfC. Aoziwe (talk) 13:12, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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