Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JW Marriott Tower Hotel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of tallest buildings in Doha, Qatar. There is clear consensus against a standalone article. I'm redirecting to the only title mentioned below that explicitly mentions this page, but other targets may be possible, and if the list articles are expanded to include prose content may be worth retrieving from the edit history. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JW Marriott Tower Hotel[edit]

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Zero in-depth refs from independent, reliable, secondary sources. Was sent to draft in hopes of improvement, but returned to mainspace without any. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture and Qatar. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (was "Keep" -Doncram (talk,contribs) 16:33, 17 January 2023 (UTC)), on belief that does exist coverage somewhere for a project of this size (52 floors), more than 200m tall. Alternatively it would be okay to include this as a row in a list of tall buildings, including sourcing, and redirect to that. I am not sure of what the cutoff height should be, but to me it would make sense just to accept coverage in Wikipedia of buildings taller than that (and I used to think 100 meters would work). For some height, there are only say 10,000 buildings world-wide, and it would save a lot of ridiculous churning in creation and deletion of articles about them. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 05:45, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BTW there is List of tallest buildings in Doha, Qatar which includes numerous buildings of fewer floors and also there is List of tallest skyscrapers in Qatar. The latter explicitly states it is for buildings 100m or taller. Maybe the two list-articles should be merged, I dunno, but they should be modified to allow descriptive text and sourcing, and then to allow redirects to individual rows (using table row anchors like id=JW Marriott Tower Hotel ).

About AFDs about individual tall buildings or about lists of them, they should not be allowed. Partly because too many editors come along and try to make a career for themselves in tilting away at them. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 05:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This building fails WP:NBUILD which says that commerical buildings may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability. That's not happening here. -- Mikeblas (talk) 22:21, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course outright "delete" cannot be the sensible outcome. "Merge" of the two list-articles to one list of tallest buildings or structures in Qatar is obviously sensible, IMHO. And "merge" of the JW Marriott Tower Hotel article to its list-article row (or possibly "redirect" if one wants to assert absolutely zero value to the existing article) is superior. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 05:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or, if someone specific agrees to do the work, would support a merge. Elinruby (talk) 20:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, a closer can and should make an AFD outcome of "Merge" whether or not there is such a volunteer, just because it is the right thing to do. The closer does not need to effect the merge, but, per wp:AfD and mergers, rather can use "{{afd-mergeto}} and {{afd-mergefrom}} tags on the appropriate pages, which tags the articles for merging via ordinary editing. The XFDcloser gadget supports these tags."

If it is necessary for someone to imagine that a specific person will do it, just say I will do it, close the AfD, and then I either will or won't. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 16:33, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.