Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. James (1814 cricketer)

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The result was redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825). Clear consensus that a redirect should happen. One of the users found some sources, but admitted that the found material is not enough. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

J. James (1814 cricketer)[edit]

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Amateur cricketer who made three first-class appearances in his entire playing career. I was unable to locate any additional in-depth sources about him specifically. Hell, we don't even have a first name.

I understand that WP:NCRIC deems a single first-class appearance to be enough to claim notability, but in the absence of any significant in-depth commentary about him (as opposed to just statistical information), he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:43, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 04:41, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Reluctant keep for now. As the English would say, that's a sticky wicket and an issue too widespread to be decided in a single AfD. Redirect per below. He's no different from pretty much everyone I examined at random in Category:English cricketers of 1787 to 1825. We don't even know the first initial, much less the given name, of Cantrell (Middlesex cricketer). Early baseball is better documented, but we still have people like William Ahearn, who is known to have played one lousy game. (He did allow seven passed balls, which is admittedly an impressive feat.) Clarityfiend (talk) 07:44, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825) as the result of the discussion at Talk:Chitty (cricketer) would seem to be the best option in this case. The cases are similar in nature, although James played in three matches rather than one and we do have a first initial to work with. Ultimately it's extremely unlikely that we're going to be able to build a biography of James (or Cantrell for that matter). The definitions of first-class cricket at the time he played his matches are a little more problematic. I'm happy if there needs to be a more widespread discussion about cases such as these, but we appear to have lists of cricketers that go up to 1863 as well as lists for many major British teams as well - MCC for example goes back to 1787, although we generally don't have lists for pre-county clubs (except, oddly, a start on a Middlesex list) - but in most cases the general lists up to 1863 will do the job.

In my view the case of Ahearn (7 PB and 2 errors....) is slightly more complex as we actually have a fuller name and dates, but I see the parallel and would be happy to discuss on a broader basis across sports if necessary. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:44, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As nom, I'm also fine with a redirect; if I'd realized that list existed I might have done it myself. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825). Hopefully more research can be done on these obscure cricketers. Sometimes, like with R. N. Lee (who had no known first or middle name, or dates of birth/death) a bit of research can shed some light on them. StickyWicket (talk) 16:11, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of English cricketers (1787–1825) as said. Fails WP:GNG for nowMgbo120 (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Cricket Archive seems to have 3 matches listed for James: on 13 Jul 1814, 13 Aug 1817, and 1 Jun 1818. Newspapers.com has notices/announcements for the fist each ([1], [2], and [3]) and results for the 1817 game ([4]). James is not listed in any of the notices/announcements, nor in the results (which are very brief). For what is worth regarding Ahearn, I find a report of the game ([5]) and a few later notes about a liquor dealer with that name in Troy during his life (such as [6] or [7]). I'm generally in favor of doing whatever possible to make articles about sportspeople and socialites of these eras, but I don't find material to suggest either individual is particularly encyclopedic. Smmurphy^(Talk) 19:56, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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