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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep and Rename to Islamism in the Gaza Strip - (I've moved the article but haven't changed the lead or anything so that may need updating). (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 20:54, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Islamization of the Gaza Strip[edit]

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The present article "Islamization of the Gaza Strip" may be renamed to "Talibanization of the Gaza Strip," as explained on the talk page. However, given the opposition to that name change under the explanation that "Talibanization" is confusing, the alternative is to delete the article, as Islamization is simply not what is currently happening in Gaza, it is rather a process that occurred a thousand years ago. 0nlyth3truth (talk) 23:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • SPEEDY KEEP This long-standing and well-sourced article on a significant topic. and WP:WHACK! User:0nlyth3truth who, dissatisfied with the way his proposal to change the article title was going, brought a conspicuously notable article to AFD.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:44, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Given that 2 of 3 respondents at the time suggested deleting the article and dispersing its contents as a response to my proposal to rename it, your whack is entirely unmerited and clearly shows that you did not carefully consider the discussion at the talk page. I have since proposed moving the article to "Islamism in the Gaza Strip" and I expect that to get more traction. 0nlyth3truth (talk) 01:24, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:39, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:39, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:51, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename - though there are some concerns with current name, the article refers to modern radicalization of Islam in Gaza and effectively demise of all other religions in the strip. Maybe Islamist radicalization in the Gaza Strip will be a better title.GreyShark (dibra) 20:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is still called Islamization when people who were less observant of Islam become more observant. Debresser (talk) 11:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename It should simply be renamed to Islamism in the Gaza Strip. This article's scope does not appear to be about how the Gaza Strip gradually became almost completely inhabited by Muslims or changing churches into mosques. The article is about the strict implementation of Hamas' version of Sharia, in the Gaza Strip. The Gaza Strip was already 99% Muslim long before this process began so "Islamization" is rather confusing. There are some sources that use the term "Islamization" in the article, but there are far more scholarly sources that use the term "Islamism" instead, which is a much more common and recognizable term that deals with this socio-political process. The article could also be expanded to include the history of the Muslim Brotherhood (from which Hamas originated) and the Salafist movement in the Gaza Strip and the increasing Muslim conservatism in Gazan society over the decades. This is the most proper route for the article to take. --Al Ameer (talk) 04:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously, no consensus has been reached. I believe my comments here successfully capture why. I am withdrawing my own attempt at changing these titles, but I encourage interested individuals to contribute to a longer-lasting resolution at the Project Islam talk page. 0nlyth3truth (talk) 17:38, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I would give it some more time before concluding that there is "obviously no consensus", which is a decision that the administrator closing this thread will ultimately determine. --Al Ameer (talk) 18:12, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Very true. Anyone, feel free to ping me if this conversation goes anywhere. 0nlyth3truth (talk) 22:50, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 12:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • HyperGaruda is incorrect. "Islamization" has two meanings in current English usage. One, as Hypergaruda says, is the conversion of an area to Islam. The other is the imposition of a stricter forms of Islam on a Muslim region. See for example this 2013 article in The Atlantic, a very mainstream magazine known for it's fine writing: "What's Behind Turkey's Islamization and the Protests Against It" [1] Turkey, of course, is an almost entirely Muslim country (as in Gaza, large, ancient Christian populations have been ethnically cleansed). Islamization is widely used in this sense. Here's a google search on "Islamization of Turkey" [2]. This is the proper term. It just is.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Here you demonstrate that "Islamization" is just too ambiguous. Per WP:PRECISE and the fact that all other articles titled "Islamization of" are about the historic meaning, this page should move to "Islamism in the Gaza Strip". - HyperGaruda (talk) 13:18, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFF Merely because articles on the Islamization of Turkey, Islamization of territories ruled by ISIS, Islamization of Saudi Arabia (which took place under the rule of the House of Saud), Islamization of Pakistan, etc. do not yet exist, is not an argument to delete this article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CONSISTENCY. May I remind you that WP:PRECISE and WP:CONSISTENCY are Wikipedia policies and that they therefore supersede the WP:OTHERSTUFF essay. Who said anything about deleting anyway? Ok, Nom did, but even (s)he'd like to see a renaming. - HyperGaruda (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note also that the proposed Islamism in Gaza would necessarily conflate a political narrative about the political rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and the other Islamist factions now in Gaza, with the topic of the present article, which is the Islamization, imposing of draconian and uncompromisingly literalist interpretations of shaaria on a population.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Per the two definitions of Islamization, "Islamization of Gaza" would necessarily conflate a historical narrative about the rise of Islam since the 7th century in Gaza etc... Nope, Islamization is simply much broader than Islamism. - HyperGaruda (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Islamism in the Gaza Strip. A number of people seem to be confused on what Islamization means, that took place in Gaza several hundred years ago. The topic that they seem to want to cover is about Islamism and that would be the appropriate name for the article. nableezy - 19:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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