Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isaac Roosevelt (businessman)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. After all but a month on AFD it's clear there consensus against deleting the page, albeit no consensus as to what precisely to do. I'm not spinning the wheel again. Parties can discuss on the article talk page whether a merge, redirect, or otherwise is appropriate. Stifle (talk) 08:32, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Roosevelt (businessman)[edit]

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No indication this article meets WP:ANYBIO. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, as FDR's grandfather it would be nice to keep the page, so hopefully more about his life will be added. He did own the Isaac Roosevelt House, so seemed very successful. The page just needs the reasons why. Maybe this RfD can be mentioned on the FDR talk page and other pages to possibly attract editors who would know more about this Roosevelt. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I added a career section with relevant details to his education, medical career and farm. I think the article should not be deleted but be renamed to "Isaac Roosevelt (physician)" or "Isaac Roosevelt (farmer)" DACC23 (talk) 17:29, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @DACC23: Thanks for the hard work here! Do you have thoughts on which of the new sources meet WP:SIGCOV? I took a look at the references I can access, and they seem to be minor mentions in much larger works. For example, the Chicago Tribune article focuses on the family's larger history and has this to say about Isaac in total: "James' son, another Isaac, preferred a less public life. He studied medicine, married Mary R. Aspinwall, and to them was born James, father-to-be of Franklin Delano." For another, the death notice is two sentences long. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 07:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @DACC23: Making sure you've seen this ask. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and New York. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, now meets GNC after excellent work by DACC23. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:20, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have these numerous ongoing nominations of U.S. presidential relatives at least been listed on their presidential talk pages? Randy Kryn (talk) 05:01, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Roosevelt family. None of the sources have any in depth coverage that I can see. The NYT death announcement is a mere notice not an obituary; and his mentions in the family history pieces by Life and the Chicago Tribune are just a couple of sentences. Eluchil404 (talk) 04:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 11:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to the history section of Isaac Roosevelt House. BD2412 T 20:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Three relistings? Should be a no consensus at minimum. As for merging to his house, hopefully "merge" means that almost all of the article will be moved to that page ("merge" is much more than a redirect, it's the merging of two related pages without losing any information or cites). But there seems enough here to meet GNG. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Kryn, there would probably be fewer relistings if we had more editors participating in AFD discussions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - we have to make a judgement call and I think on such cases we should lean towards inclusion. The fact that the subject's house may be considered less controversial in terms of notability than its owner seems ridiculous in my opinion, and indeed that article would be something of an orphan (although not technically an orphan article) without this article connecting it to articles for more famous relatives such as Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Roosevelt family. - Indefensible (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.