Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iranian national heroes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —Tom Morris (talk) 00:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian national heroes[edit]

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This list is totally useless and there is no way to determine a "national hero". Americophile 23:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Americophile 23:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then let's try defining it and see if it' possible. --Tondar1 (talk) 23:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's the very problem: the topic itself is unclear; you have to figure out what a "national hero" is for yourself. I could see this page being kept if "national hero" were an official title in Iran, but it's practically impossible to define it for ourselves without violating policies such as Wikipedia:No original research. Without any objective indication of what constitutes a national hero, I say delete per nom. Chris the Paleontologist (talk • contribs) 02:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this rationale. If there is a clear-cut definition of "national hero" for Iran in WP:RS, then source that definition and limit this list to people who meet it. For instance, if an editor can find a reliable source that asserts that an "Iranian national hero" is someone who has received Iranian award X, Y, or Z, that would do it. If no such definition is available (and I can't find one), delete. (I am open to revising my opinion if an RS definition is found.) - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 17:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For clarification, I would also revise my decision if an official definition is found. Chris the Paleontologist (talk • contribs) 20:01, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I do not want this page to be deleted is that it contains very famous and important people and is a good "gateway" for people to look them up if you guys know what I mean, something like a portal. Perhaps the name of the article can be changed to something else? --Tondar1 (talk) 22:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any suggestions? It needs a clear criteria that sorts out who belongs on the list and who doesn't. That criteria needs to be based, itself, in reliable sources. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 01:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:20, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- This list seems not to pass WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. If there were some way to make the list "unambiguous" and "objective", I think the "supported by reliable sources" criteria could probably be met. But as is, I think it does not pass all of WP:LSC. Thus, I agree with Chris the Paleontologist. Hoppingalong (talk) 03:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Essentially subjective mix of historical and mythological figures. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, agree with nom. The topic is controversial. For exemple for Irannian Bahais, Amir Kabir is not a hero at all, as he killed Bab! And I don't know how can we consider Hassan-i-Sabah a national hero.Farhikht (talk) 15:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.