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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Institute for Armenian Research[edit]

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The Institute for Armenian Research is a non-notable organization, and fails WP:NORG. Only covered by Turkish news as a mention when covering one of its leaders, as a brief mention. Besides, this is just your friendly, neighbourhood anti-Armenian and genocide-denying organization, whose activities include "the Armenian question" [1], and which has published some wonderful books including The Armenian Issue and the Jews [2] or The Armenian Files: The Myth of Innocence Exposed [3].

The Institute for Armenian Research has recently been rebranded as the Center for Eurasian Studies. Again, here we could just delete the article per WP:GNG and WP:NORG, but you know maybe it would be interesting to just check what they have been... oh shit. JBchrch talk 15:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. JBchrch talk 15:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. JBchrch talk 15:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. JBchrch talk 15:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or redirect Center for Eurasian Studies. After some searching, I cannot find independent sources that cover this organization in depth. Keep or merge Institute for Armenian Research, it is definitely not a reliable source but it does have some coverage in independent, reliable sources. There is a paragraph on the organization in Dixon, Jennifer M. (2010). "Defending the Nation? Maintaining Turkey's Narrative of the Armenian Genocide". South European Society and Politics. 15 (3): 467–485 [478]. doi:10.1080/13608746.2010.513605. and several sentences in Sanjian, Ara (2006). "Öke's Armenian Question re-examined 1". Middle Eastern Studies. 42 (5): 831–839 [832]. doi:10.1080/00263200600828147. as well as this book. These are reliable, non-fringe sources and examine the issue from an independent perspective. I think there may be potential for an article that covers Center for Eurasian Strategic Studies (also translated Eurasian Strategic Studies Institute—covered briefly in this book), its successor Center for Eurasian Studies and subsidiary of both Institute for Armenian Research. (edit: Alternately, since virtually all the independent coverage relates to the Institute of Armenian Research (not to be confused with the Munich-based organization of the same name) it could be kept and the other two organizations redirected there.) (t · c) buidhe 19:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Buidhe: To which article do you suggest we merge Institute for Armenian Research? JBchrch talk 20:04, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I would support that option. (t · c) buidhe 22:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @JBchrch: First I would like to thank you for everyone's input. First to @JBchrch concern regarding references for the Center for Eurasian Studies article. One English language newspaper, one source from Robert Schuman Centre for Advanced Studies, one source from Istituto Affari Internazionali, Washington Institute For Near East Policy, and one academic journal article from jstor (World Review of Political Economy) was added. In total there are 18 references which should be enough for an article for this length. If you believe there should be more references more can be added.
  • Second, I have never been affiliated with Institute for Armenian Research from their archive page I have not found anti-Armenian language. Having a different view regarding events of 1915 is different from being anti-Armenian. Since this is not a political forum I will not delve into details.
  • Third regarding @JBchrch statement that Institute for Armenian Research has been rebranded as Center for Eurasian Studies. It has not. If you do check the history of Center for Eurasian Studies It is the combination of three groups. One came from Institute for Armenian Research, the second one came from Research Institute for Crimes against Humanity and third group of independent researchers. That is the reason for name change and focus change. You are right it does publish 2 of the journals ( refereed, academic, and indexed journals) from Institute for Armenian Research. It also publishes on a journal from now closed Research Institute for Crimes against Humanity. It also publishes its own journal. We should keep in mind think thanks can change even Rand corporation was not originally known as Rand Corporation and had a name change.
  • Instead what propose is removing "consider the deletion notice on both pages" and put " draft status" on both (if I remember correctly Wikipedia has that option) so that both pages can be improved. Thank you again.Tetulun talk10:17, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hiya Tetulun, wrt "You are right it does publish 2 of the journals ( refereed, academic, and indexed journals)", could you indicate which journals, either here or on the relevant articles? John Vandenberg (chat) 04:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Curbon7 (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @John Vandenberg: Thank you for your question and suggestion. Center for Eurasian Studies publishes four journals. International Crimes and History (bilingual) (taken over from Research Institute for Crimes against Humanity), Review of Armenian Studies (English) (taken over from Institute for Armenian Research) and Ermeni Araştırmaları (Turkish) (taken over from Institute for Armenian Research) are peer-reviewed and indexed journals. Eurasian World is a semi-academic (bilingual) journal (launched by Center for Eurasian Studies). I added this information with references to the Center for Eurasian Studies article. Due to time constraints, I wrote a short paragraph and added four citations. If required I could however add additional citations. Institute for Armenian Research already has publications sections I did not change it. Tetulun talk19:52, 05 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @John Vandenberg: Again thanks for everybodies contribution. Then would it be possible to remove the deletion notice from both articles or at least should they be changed to "improve notice" or "draft notice". Tetulun talk23:48, 08 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ─ The Aafī (talk) 14:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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