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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 10:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hryhory Bazhul[edit]

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fails WP:BIO and WP:MUSICBIO, nothing in gnews for his name in both English and Ukrainian. even in google his name in Ukrainian only reveals WP mirros [1]. gbooks reveals 6 hits but no evidence of indepth coverage. LibStar (talk) 04:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep. There are non-English sources.
  • Delete He is mentioned in some books, but he is not the subject of them. Otherwise fails WP:BIO. --TYelliot | Talk | Contribs 12:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Reply to above unsigned comment: please provide links to these sources. --TYelliot | Talk | Contribs 12:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ever tried googling? http://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B9+%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B6%D1%83%D0%BB&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:uk:official&client=firefox-a .--Galassi (talk) 14:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
many seem WP mirrors. See WP:GOOGLEHITS. LibStar (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep. There is a monograph currently being prepared for publication about him. There is also a corner in a state museum in Ukraine with his instrument, paintings and concert posters on display. Google gives us 3500 hit in articles where he is mentioned. ````
this monograph is not published so can't count as a source. See WP:GOOGLEHITS. LibStar (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He did take up about a third of my doctorate dissertation which is published and also an english language book on Ukrainian Folk Instruments published in Melbourne in 1984. Bandurist (talk) 03:50, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
then you should have no problem supplying us third party sources. LibStar (talk) 04:09, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional tertiary sources have been added. Bandurist (talk) 13:29, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
could you please add as inline citation as per WP:INCITE. LibStar (talk) 02:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
@LibStar, assuming citations are added, are we done here or do you have other concerns? These affairs sometimes turn into an endless series of "but now, what about this?" hurdles, just checking. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 02:07, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: Again, another irresponsible nomination by User:LibStar targeting Ukrainian-related articles. I strongly oppose this nomination on these grounds:

  1. As evidenced previously the nominator has no competency in this area, and not having a basic command of Ukrainian makes it impossible for him to do effective internet searches to justify his nominations (or to properly assess the significance of a Ukrainian-related subject). As suggested by another editor — User:LibStar "should be required to contact someone who knows the language in the proper Wikiproject before trying to delete an article".
  2. The nominator has improperly claimed as a 'fact' that not having 'hits' on Google News = "failing WP:BIO and WP:MUSICBIO". Nowhere in any WP policies does it say that 'hits' on any search site should be used as the only criterion for deletion. It is also ridiculous to expect Google News (which only has limited access to some archived news media) to have hits on all notable people who have been dead since 1989!
  3. Wikipedia deletions policy and etiquette (WP:BEFORE) requires that a {{notability}} or other appropriate tag should be placed, instead of a deletion notice as a first step. I quote: "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." (WP:ATD. Unfortunately, User:LibStar does not even bother notifying the creator/main contributor of the article, thus preventing anyone the opportunity to improve the article, before it is potentially deleted without their knowledge.

Someone competent in the Ukrainian language would find, just using the internet, that Hryhory Bazhul was notable enough to be mentioned in:

  1. Ukrainian news articles:
  2. At least ten issues (between 1972 and 1995) of the largest circulating Ukrainian-language diaspora newspaper Svoboda (existing since 1893, and all issues available online):
  3. At least one issue of the largest English-language Ukrainian newspaper in the Ukrainian diaspora, The Ukrainian Weekly:
  4. The international Bandura journal (issued in New York):
  5. These journals, mostly available in full from the Vernadsky National Library of Ukraine:

NOTE: most of the above references also mention the Hnat Khotkevych Ukrainian Bandurist Ensemble — as Hryhory Bazhul was its founder, and also mention that Bazhul was the student of another famous Ukrainian bandurist — Hnat Khotkevych. --Pkravchenko (talk) 10:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

see WP:ADHOM you should not attack the nominator. WP does not require users to know all foreign languages to participate. LibStar (talk) 11:44, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
a) Yes, there are plenty of WP policies regarding etiquette, including the requirement, to notify creators/significant authors of articles if you are nominating their article for deletion (with the privileged powers of an administrator). In my opinion, the act of nominating an article for deletion, without first trying to improve it, and without notifying the author, is not in the spirit of Wikipedia and certainly not in accordance with the "high standard of conduct" expected of administrators.
b) "participating" is a long way off from nominating an article for deletion, especially if you don't have any background in the subject, or language. --Pkravchenko (talk) 14:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
100s of articles are nominated each week for deletion, and in the vast majority of cases the creator is not notified. There is no requirement to, and I don't see you complaining at other AfDs about this. Nor can this be an argument for keeping. WP places no restriction/prequalification on what articles can be nominated for deletion by a user. Perhaps you feel you WP:OWN Ukrainian subject articles in WP and no one else can nominate them? LibStar (talk) 20:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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