Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Houston Christian High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. consensus is the sourcing just isn't there for this school. If someone thinks they can ID more sources without the ticker of afD, happy to provide in draft space. Star Mississippi 01:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Houston Christian High School[edit]

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This school has received barely any coverage and lacks significant notability. It also appears to be a magnet for OR in the past. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 18:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 18:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
del - nonnotable private high school. Loew Galitz (talk) 18:28, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Christianity, and Texas. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:33, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't have any time to find sources today, but I will check tomorrow. It's an American school with more than 400 students. I have never failed to save a large High School's article from deletion after a Newspapers.com search. Scorpions13256 (talk) 00:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this was a segregation academy. Articles about segregation academies are vital in documenting the very incomplete struggle to achieve integration in US education. We have some editors that have put in considerable work on that subject. 174.212.227.189 (talk) 15:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The segregation academy in question is barely mentioned in the article by a small inclusion in a book. If this should be kept just by a passing mention of a segregation academy, then shouldn't another article on the previous school be created instead? CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 17:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- No. We've always followed the institution, not the name or the building. Same institution, just a different name, likely to seperate it from its history. 174.212.212.163 (talk) 20:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Meh The sourcing is at best dubious. This contains a one-line trivial mention The city of Houston, Texas, cooperated with the new $1.5 million Northwest Academy building by extending a four-lane street in time for its opening., and the other sources are not suitable in determining notability (a non-selective private school directory and a mere map of schools in the area). Looking for more sources does not yield much besides high-school sports coverage (which is at best routine and insignificant). This would suggest it fails WP:GNG. And as we all know, notability is not inherent, even for schools (see WP:ORGSIG and WP:NRVE), so that would make the case for keeping this really week. I'm not sure if there's an appropriate redirect target here, so holding off on that for now. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep ~~per the endless local newspaper sourcing and these regional stories. Scorpions13256 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2022 (UTC)~~ [reply]
Those look like at best trivial mention or routine-ish coverage of high school sports. There is no coverage of the school itself, only of the sports events. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:40, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do they not count? I'll probably search more after work. Scorpions13256 (talk) 13:47, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Routine coverage of routine events (high school sports) is WP:ROTM. Combine that with the fact that those sources contain almost exactly no coverage about the school itself (there's in-depth match reports, and a few interviewed quotes from involved participants, but very little coverage of the school as opposed to the routine event...), and yes, they do not count. See WP:SIGCOV, as I was linking. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll do more searching then. Scorpions13256 (talk) 05:03, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I searched around for it, but I could only find more WP:ROTM stuff. I'd suggest that we close this out if we can't find any more sources. That IP also doesn't look like they will put in much of the work. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Scorpions13256, found any sources yet? CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CollectiveSolidarity Sorry. I have been sick for the past few days, but I only just now started to feel better. I'll work on it right now. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:07, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone tried looking up "Northwest Academy"? That name gets more results. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Half of the links went to a place in Ohio, and there were a few notable alumni. I could not find any alternative links but Google is still an option (I use an alternative browser) CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 13:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anything on Newspapers.com? I will refrain from changing my !vote until a specific editor tries to salvage the article. However, I concede that it is not looking good. Scorpions13256 (talk) 15:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for my absence, as I had some major schoolwork to do. I wasn't able to get on Newspapers.com because it charges a subscription service, but there might be some secondary sources talking about the school on its official website. I will check there. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:48, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can get to Newspapers.com free free via the Wikipedia Library. Scorpions13256 (talk) 19:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Found one source [1]. I'll deposit in into the article CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers.com has a TON of sources just like that one. However, I am not sure if they count because they are local. Scorpions13256 (talk) 23:02, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It does not have any Houston city newspapers. Most of the nphits are sports roundups. I have access to NewsBank of the Chronicle post-1985, and most of the hits are sports-related there as well. I have a very long 1999 Houston Press article titled "Winning in the Wrong Way: Rock Knapp transformed little Northwest Academy from gridiron patsy to playoff powerhouse. So why are some parents calling for his head?" After the name change, there are some 2000s articles of note: "Houston Christian opens new campus - Area churches collaborate for high school" from the Chronicle in 2000 and "Christian High sees increase in students" from 2001. If you'd like me to put up excerpts of any of those, let me know. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:30, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to add them to the article or link them. If they don't count, I am willing to change my !vote. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:17, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:53, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per the commendable but unsuccessful effort above to locate significant coverage. For better or worse, the community consensus is schools have to meet GNG. This doesn't. AusLondonder (talk) 18:45, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Although there were great efforts by Sammi and Scorpions to find sources for this article, I just don't think that there is enough coverage beyond local newspapers to warrant significant coverage in WP:GNG CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 18:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'll accept the L this time. Scorpions13256 (talk) 22:34, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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