Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horace Greasley

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 14:08, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Horace Greasley[edit]

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The article fails WP:Notability, particularly but not exclusively WP:GNG. I also think it fails on WP:V and WP:RS (I can find no reliable secondary sources confirming claims). The article is based on a memoir by an individual who claimed that he was the soldier in a specific picture with Heinrich Himmler and that he escaped 200 times from a German POW camp. These claims have been proven to be false in non-deprecated sources (e.g. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/historians-debunk-claims-of-200-escapes-in-memoir-of-pow-horace-greasley-bxr8fp7mn). Claims proven to be false can be notable because of wider ramifications; in this case there are no such wider ramifications and so the notability claim is based solely on the existence and legitimacy of the claims. The claims have been shown to be false, and since the proof of falsity is not of itself notable to WP:GNG standards, the article fails WP:Notability (and the other policies referred to above) and should be deleted. Emmentalist (talk) 14:05, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Military. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not sure if this meets notability guidelines, but I do want to note, his claims being false and that being pointed out in WP:RS may be a sign of notability and that the article needs re-writing to meet guidelines like WP:V instead of deletion. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 21:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Full obituary in a major national newspaper. We have always considered this is sufficient to meet notability requirements. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A notable fantasist. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I added a reference to The Times article questioning the autobiography. For "notable hoax", see WP:NHOAX ("for example, a hoax may have received sustained media attention, been believed by thousands of people including academics, or been believed for many years"). The book was a bestseller which suggests it was "believed by thousands". 68.189.242.116 (talk) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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