Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hone Taiapa

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The result was Keep (NAC). American Eagle (talk) 02:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hone Taiapa[edit]

While there is technically an assertion of notability, I don't think it makes the cut. The article doesn't even contain a DoB, and the person was the head of a department within the institution, not the institution itself. Tyrenon (talk) 20:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep With some work, I am finding sources. Here's a detailed article, with a cite to his obituary: [1]. Two brief mentions refer to this person as a "Master Carver": [2], [3]. This book: [4] also mentions him as a "great classical master". This source: [5] says that he trained hundreds of carvers. These things all contribute to establish notability. We have to keep in mind that due to his timing, location, and culture, it is likely that most available sources are not available electronically. This source: [6] cites what would perhaps be another good source? And I have nowhere near exhausted what google gave me, it's just a lot of work to sort through it. Cazort (talk) 21:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment also search under "John Taiapa"; same person. Cazort (talk) 21:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources above establishing notability, plus OBE. Drawn Some (talk) 21:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I just edited the article a bit, it's still a stub but it now has more basic info and references the honor of induction into The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, which also contributes to notability. Cazort (talk) 21:40, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, having an entry in the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography is sufficient to establish notability.-gadfium 06:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the DNZB entry meets WP:N. XLerate (talk) 03:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per gadfium and XLerate, and Cazort. Other possible sources include Building Art in the Maori Tradition - John Taiapa and the Carved Meeting House of To-day and several listed in his entry here. There's a bit of human interest here, too: First Person: Carved shield comes home. -- Avenue (talk) 13:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Hone Taiapa is regarded as the most important Master Carver for Maori in modern history. Whakairoor Maori Carving is known as the written language of Maori, this makes Hone Taiapa one of Maoridom's most famous and significant historians.
As for a DoB, 1912 with no month listed, and PoB was Tikitiki on the East Coast of the North Island, NZ. [7] An unassuming, modest leader of the Maori people in his own right.
Comment Oral reference from Hone Taiapa's daughter, Molly Taiapa, who works as a guide at the NZ Maori Arts & Crafts Institute records his birthday as the 10th August, 1912.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TePuia (talk • contribs) 02:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The argument that someone "doesn't think it makes the cut," was easily dealt with by finding multiple references without any effort, and by showing, through these references, that reliable sources such as other encyclopedias and experts on the topic of Maori culture, the real judges of what "makes the cut," think this man does. And this[8] doesn't list "article doesn't even contain a DoB," so nomination appears irrelevant.--69.226.103.13 (talk) 04:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep he is notable, even if it's not conveyed well in the article, I'd certainly heard of him. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. My keep is based on its current state. However, maybe a {{stub}} would have done the trick as well. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 03:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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