Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/His Majesty's Government in the Irish Free State

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Executive Council of the Irish Free State. Randykitty (talk) 16:48, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

His Majesty's Government in the Irish Free State[edit]

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Unencyclopaedic. This is an essay on a little-used alternative description of the Executive Council of the Irish Free State. It has been tagged as completely unsourced since October 2007. Scolaire (talk) 08:14, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. --Scolaire (talk) 08:14, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 October 6. —cyberbot I ^Notify_Online 08:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The usage is notably relevant to the politics and diplomacy of that period ~~. The main article would gain informative value if the text were merged into it,~~ giving depth and perspective to the topic. ~~, with redirect link.~~ Cites could include:

Development of Dominion Status 1900-1936 By Robert MacGregor Dawson. This presents on p.445 the text of official Dispatch from Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs to the Minister for External Affairs, Irish Free State, 9 April 1932 (Routledge; Rev Ed edition (23 Nov 1965)ISBN-10: 071461467X)[1]
Exchange of Notes Between His Majesty's Government in the Irish Free State and the Costa Rican Government in Regard to Commercial Relations Irish Free State. Treaties, etc., 1934 H. M. Stationery Office, 1934[2], and others of series per Google search, via "books" link above
Ireland and the Vatican: The Politics and Diplomacy of Church-state By Dermot Keogh, p.86, note 17 (Cork University Press; New edition edition (1 Jan 1995) ISBN-10: 0902561960 17[3] [4]

Qexigator (talk) 09:59, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Those three sources only give three instances of the description being used. The fact that it was used on at least three occasions does not constitute significant coverage for the purposes of establishing the notability of the topic. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail. At best the fact of its use means that it is worth a single sentence in the Executive Council article. Scolaire (talk) 14:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply That response suggests want of due diligent check on books link mentioned above, which shows it was in regular official use between 1929 and 1931 in notes published by HMSO, "in Regard to Commercial Relations" formally exchanged "Between His Majesty's Government in the Irish Free State" and foreign governments including the governments of:

Costa Rica
Roumania
Guatemala
Salvador
...etc...

and in other such Notes, including

Exchange of Notes Between His Majesty's Government in the Irish Free State and the Italian Governent Concerning Reciprocal Recognition of Passenger Ships' Certificates and Emigrant Ship Regulations. Issue 48 of Foreign office Treaty series, 1930. Irish Free State. Treaties, etc., 1930. Publisher H.M. Stationery Office, 1930
Exchange of Notes Between His Majesty's Government in the Irish Free State and the Egyptian Government Prolonging the Commercial "Modus Vivendi" of July 25/28, 1930
...etc...

Other citations:

Cáipéisí Ar Pholasaí Eachtrach Na HÉireannRonan Fanning, Royal Irish Academy, 2002. ISBN 10: 1874045968[5]
Irish political documents, 1916-1949, Arthur Mitchell, Pádraig Ó Snodaigh. Irish Academic Press, 1985[6]

Qexigator (talk) 17:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to reply: The response to the response suggests that the responder did not read the response. "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail. The mere occurrence of the description, style, phrase, call it what you will, in books, no matter how many times, does not make the said description, style or phrase an encyclopaedia topic and does not address it directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. It is acknowledged that the description was used. Anything more than that is original research. Scolaire (talk) 21:02, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge ALternative names don't require separate articles. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. It is not a separate topic. This can be used as a redirect. Dmcq (talk) 17:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Executive Council of the Irish Free State. Snappy (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Despite the comments of others above, the usage is notably relevant to the politics and diplomacy of that period. The article has been revised. Let the current version[7] be retained. Qexigator (talk) 13:47, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The content has been copied to the Executive Council article. There is even less point in keeping this one now than there was when I nominated it. Scolaire (talk) 22:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Copied? Mainly vice versa.[8] So, let the nominated article stand, with link from reduced content of Exec. council. Qexigator (talk) 11:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Hello? This article before I tagged it. New section in the Executive Council article. Apart from a few examples of letters, the text is almost identical. The content of this article was copied to the other one, edited a little bit, and then copied back. Scolaire (talk) 14:45, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quite so, but that does not affect the merit of the proposal to let the revised version of the nominated article stand[9] (with maybe a tweak or two where flagged) and letting the examples be removed from present version of Executive Council of the Irish Free State [10]. Qexigator (talk) 18:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The reduced text in Executive Council of the Irish Free State could be:

The Irish Free State was a constitutional monarchy whose monarch had the same title in all parts of the British Commonwealth of Nations and its territories, and the Free State government was sometimes referred to as His Majesty's Government in the Irish Free State.(+citations) This description was more frequently used while W.T. Cosgrave was leading the government, and rarely used in the Irish Free State after Éamon de Valera's appointment as President, due to his policy for constitutional autochthony.(+citation) Qexigator (talk) 11:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

+Please note that the nominated article has been revised[11] and the Examples are now as in "Executive Council..." Qexigator (talk) 05:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and re-direct Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:09, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Scolaire Frenchmalawi (talk) 02:49, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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