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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Even setting aside the question of SPA accounts (an IP's pro-delete argument carries the same weight as anyone else... provided it is reasonable) the clear weight of PAG based argument establishes a consensus to Keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:50, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hillel Fuld[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a promotional medium. WP:SPIP This is a blatant advertisement for a not notable person. The majority of sources are self or articles written by the person. WP:N WP:BIO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.24.66.14 (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC) — 70.24.66.14 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

(Please note, this was misposted at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Hillel Fuld and is a procedural posting) RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

information Note: signed and converted to afd2 template --DannyS712 (talk) 21:43, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. ~Ruyaba~ {talk} 22:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. ~Ruyaba~ {talk} 22:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ~Ruyaba~ {talk} 22:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Very not notable. Debresser (talk) 22:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (Single Purpose Account) I think this should be deleted, it is self-promotional and most of the links cited are not newsworthy or of any value. The person himself is part of a group of Israeli consultants that do nothing of value beside post on SnapChat, Facebook and Blogs about other companies information that was already known to the public, mentioning that he was in a bunker is not news, every Israeli as experienced being in a bunker. All the blogs that ever featured him never paid him he is not a journalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.226.237.58 (talk) 16:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC) — 141.226.237.58 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Keep I think this article should not be deleted. Fuld has been featured in all of the tech industry's major publications, as well as his work been covered non-trivially by reputable sources. The value of his work is proven by his ability to keep getting work, which is shown in the different sources supplied. Forbes, The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have all featured articles directly about Fuld, as well as about events and occurrences that include him. Yes, the majority of the sources are his publications, but they are all in major news outlets in the world of technology. אגם רפאלי (talk) 14:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (Single Purpose Account} I agree with אגם רפאלי. Even a cursory search using the "Find sources" links above show oodles of articles from reputable publications covering Fuld's work and reputation. I would also note that an administrator (DGG) has been working hard to improve the page along with אגם רפאלי and noted on the Talk page that "... at present... it shows at least borderline notability". On the other hand, both the editor who started this discussion and one of the delete votes are from anonymous IPs like myself. Not quite a powerful movement to delete. 77.126.89.181 (talk) 08:44, 17 February 2019 (UTC) — 77.126.89.181 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Comment I noticed that the IP who first proposed deletion of this article had no prior edits, not did they continue to edit Wikipedia after making this proposal. The same is true for both IPs who share my delete vote. Combined with the fact that the brother of the subject of this article was a recent victim of a hate-crime (see external link #2 on this article and see last entrance at Gush_Etzion_Junction#Attacks), I think we have sufficient reason to say these edits were likely bad-faith. Having said that, I am not sure what the consequences would be, but I urge the reviewing admin to keep this in mind. Debresser (talk) 13:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just because I am anonymous, this is not done for bad faith. There are many reason people wish to remain anonymous on wikipedia. I'm providing facts only about how this is not notable person in wiki. 70.24.66.14 (talk) — 70.24.66.14 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep obviously. Forbes says he is "The Man Helping Transform Startup Nation Into Scale-Up Nation" Geektime says he is "one of 100 most influential people in the Israeli tech industry". Atbannett (talk) 19:18, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Fuld is a very prominent figure in Israeli tech scene and online tech journalism. The article could be cleaned up a bit but the individual is notable. He writes for a bunch of real newspapers, online and print, and Forbes did a bio piece on him (link to article).Joe407 (talk) 10:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Forbes.com is not the same as Forbes the print magazine; Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources calls it "similar to a content farm" although then goes on to say that it's an unusually high quality one where the authors "in most cases, may have credentials that allow the specific author to qualify under the self-published source criteria". Neonchameleon (talk) 23:45, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Joe407.—msh210℠ 13:03, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. (Single Purpose Account) most of the news sources seem to be from opinion/blog pages. The author of the Times of Israel blog is even listed as his employee in his latest blog post. Perhaps more journalistic sources can be found to replace the opinion pieces? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.225.9.66 (talk) 20:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC) — 213.225.9.66 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete (Single Purpose Account) I suggested this article for deletion and thought that it was pretty straight forward, but I'll provide more detailed information as to why I nominated this since it seems malicious intent is being suggested and is being debated by several people.
  • It should be noted above that אגם רפאלי Is the author of the article. He is sometimes paid to create wiki post as listed on his user page and led me to investigate further.
  • Bloggers are not generally included in wiki. WP:ANYBIO Biography section is pure self talk. Interviewing famous people does not make one notable.
  • Career. He is indeed a journalist but this is not guaranteed inclusion in wikipedia. WP:BLPSELFPUB There is nothing in his writing linked here that his writing is significant or well-known, Cited by peers, or won critical attention. Zero. WP:JOURNALIST
  • Because he has been published in several publications is also not a means for inclusion. It needs to be in depth coverage, that is independent of the source. He writes for all these publications who have interviewed him. WP:BASIC
  • Stating he was listed in (GeekTime) which is an unreliable source including 100 other people in Israeli hi-tech WP:UNRELIABLE None of these other individuals would get a wikipedia either because of being mentioned here.
  • Keynote speaking is advertising not means for inclusion and is more self promo. WP:SPIP
  • The link stating he works with google etc on (Jerusalem Post) shows he simply spoke at the conference. He also writes for this organization. Same with Forbes Article. Small interview. 2 Paragraphs. He works for this company. (Forbes article)
  • Having Followers on Social media including famous people following him, is definitely NOT Notable and is pure self promo WP:SPIP
I can see this is turning into a debated topic, but am not really sure why. There is not enough significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject for this to be a valid Wikipedia Article WP:GNG 70.24.66.14 (talk) 23:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC) — 70.24.66.14 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Comment @70.24.66.14: You are the proposer of the AfD so your proposal is counted as a Delete, you should not vote again.Britishfinance (talk) 21:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Did the nominator bother to perform WP:BEFORE? In his reasons for nominating he does not mention that a news search shows many WP:RS with articles ABOUT THE SUBJECT or prominently featuring him as a notable figure.
For example:
How can the subject possibly not meet the criteria of WP:GNG? Jersey92 (talk) 05:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(By keep I mean keep, but fix the article to make in non-promotional.) Jersey92 (talk) 05:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Sure. But I did the research. Minor mentions and biased articles. I'll go through the ones you listed.
The Jerusalem Post - Headline "THE ISRAELI TECH GURU WHO HELPS START-UPS WITHOUT ASKING ANYTHING IN RETURN Fuld says he built his entire high-tech career on being a freier." - Minor interview. Less than 500 words.
Business Insider - Headline "How the 'Robert Scoble of Israel' wound up in a bomb shelter with Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak", Minor article. Focus more on Woz than Fuld.
Jewish Journal - Headline "The Man Who Makes Tech Go ‘Boom’", Article is literally non stop promo that is repeated in the wiki post including the amount of followers on twitter and who follows him.
Inc. - Headline "10 Israeli Startups You Should Know" - An article he wrote about 10 startups you should look at. Not Establishing notability.
CNBC - Headline "Ultra-Orthodox Jews in un-Orthodox high-tech positions" - very very minor mention. 1 paragraph discussion his religious beliefs.
and columnists are writing stories about him. For example: The Times of Israel - Headline "Israel’s Secret Sauce of Success: Lessons from Hillel Fuld" - 2 paragraphs. Author even acknowledges in the piece they are "my good friend, mentor"
The man is even giving commencement addresses Touro College Division of Graduate Studies Commencement 2018 -Israeli Tech Guru Hillel Fuld tells Graduates ‘The Core of Business is Passion and Giving’. Keynote speaking sessions do not make you noteable.
All in all, I found the majority of sources were his own articles, interviews from companies he worked with or people he worked with, minor mentions, and he likely paid or is at least involved in his addition to wikipedia. He posted about this on his public facebook page and which perhaps is where many of these defenses are coming from. Facebook discussing his wikipage
If wiki majority really feel there is enough here to establish a journalist with a few minor biased articles about him as a notable figure to Wiki, fine. The current status of the article presented to wikipedia is pure promo and should be completely rewritten. I still do not believe there is enough here to warrant WP:GNG and haven't seen what I consider "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" in any of the links mentioned.
70.24.66.14 (talk) 07:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC) — 70.24.66.14 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Comment He is a columnist of course most of the articles mentioning him are written by him. He is mentioned on THE COVER of the current issue of 2.0 magazine. Jersey92 (talk) 19:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to closer. Proposer of this AfD, and two other Deletes, and one Keep, are Single Purpose Accounts. Britishfinance (talk) 21:44, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete The longer I look at this one the more insubstantial it gets. I thought at first given the volume of sources it was an easy keep - and the man's obviously a hell of a networker. But half the sources are written by him, half of it appears to be blogs (including the Forbes articles). The source I thought at first was unassailable (the bio in the Jerusalem Post) isn't independent because he works for it Neonchameleon (talk) 00:06, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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