Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herlong Junction, California (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect‎ to Herlong, California. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Herlong Junction, California

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Non-notable location; just an intersection as far as I can tell from a satellite pic. Was AfD'd once before and kept; but as it stands the article is a two-sentence stub with two unreliable sources (GNIS and Durham's Place Names Gazetteer) and no other information available. I can only find passing mentions in the media: [1], for instance, suggests there was once a VFW hall there. But the Herlong VFW building their hall at this particular intersection does not confer notability, and without further evidence this was a legally-recognized place, it's a failure of WP:GEOLAND. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and California. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:33, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Before anyone points to the news articles in the previous AfD, yes, I saw them, and all they say is that there were a couple of apartments behind the restaurant (which seems to be gone now). An apartment building is not a "community". WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 00:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Does not appear on the current list of towns within that county. https://www.lcoe.org/Events/3rd-Grade---History-Day/Curriculum-Resources/Present-Day-Towns-of-Lassen-County/index.html . This link describes it's origins and current status. https://tipurdy.org/herlong-junction/. I think what happened was the military opened sierra army depot near there (where Herlong is now), resulting in a brief settlement at this location when soldiers starting building houses at Herlong Junction. But later the activity drifted closer to the base resulting in the town Herlong which didn't exist prior. Herlong, California I think given a choice of living next to the depot or 6 miles away, I know what I would have chose. Maybe merge or redirect to Herlong? thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by James.folsom (talk • contribs) 2024-01-02T02:49:09 (UTC)
• Comment There is a brief mention that this is a place in a newspaper from the area but I wasn't really able to find anything else. [2] Dr vulpes (Talk) 03:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
• I also looked at the research-by-phrase-matching sources from the previous discussion. Not a single one of them actually said what Herlong Junction is. There's "at Herlong Junction" and "between Herlong Junction and" there and elsewhere. Nothing else turns up, when I went looking.

  Moreover: When I pulled up the source purportedly calling it "a small community", a bare URL handwave at a newspaper with no headline or byline supplied, newspapers.com said that there were zero occurrences of "junction" on the page pointed to. And the single occurrence of "community" was talking about Nevada apparently. That source from the prior AFD discussion turned out to fail verification outright.

  Presumably it is a road junction, but I have zero sources even confirming that one foundational fact of what the subject is. The people recounting their vague memories from years ago in comments on a 'blog on the WWW are not a reliable source, and even they do not come out and say what it is, anyway. There is no way to give even a verifiable stub with context for expansion saying what this subject is. The article at hand currently does not. None of the sources from the prior AFD discussion, or that I can find, do.

  Uncle G (talk) 08:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

• delete It is quite jarring on Streetview to take the turn onto "Herlong Access Road" and have the building suddenly spring into existence (the image is from 2007, whereas the main road was last shot just two months back). It's reasonable to guess that the "apartments" weren't in a separate building, but were just a couple of rooms in the back. I could not get Durham to show up in searching, but Gudde only describes Herlong itself, and I think it's safe to say that Durham probably does the same (we've found many instances where these articles misrepresent his text). I get various hits in documents about the main highway and I suspect it has a name simply for the convenience of locating things. I could only get back into the mid-1950s on topos and only the 1980s on aerials, but besides the recent destruction of the restaurant they are all the same. Given that the place is named after "the first American ordinance officer to lose his life in World War II" (Gudde) it's hard to imagine that the 1940s showed anything significant here unless it was wooden barracks or something else without foundations which could be easily erased. It's just not a settlement, and there's not enough else about it to justify an article. Mangoe (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. This is pretty obviously not suitable as an article but does a redirect to Herlong, California make sense? I found some recent news articles mentioning the name as location marker so it might be a search term. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Herlong. I wouldn't object to Deletion either. The discussion has not found enough information to establish notability.James.folsom (talk) 18:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting discussion to assess Redirect suggestion. Lots of comments here but few opinions on what should be done with this article. Has anyone checked the sources offered in the previous AFD?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Yes, both WeirdNAnnoyed and I did, and we both said so above. Uncle G (talk) 06:12, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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