Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helena Charles

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The result was speedy Withdraw. No objection to future nominations, but clearly she is noteworthy for reasons other than being a politician. (non-admin closure) Prince of Thieves (talk) 19:05, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Helena Charles[edit]

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Leader of a very small political party with no noticeable success that is focused on a single county of the UK. Therefore fails WP:NPOL. No sources to meet WP:GNG. Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:17, 20 March 2018 (UTC) Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:17, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it has been pointed out that this person may be more relevant as a poet than a politician, if this is the case the article may well be notable. Prince of Thieves (talk) 18:41, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 03:36, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: It's not true that there are no sources here at all — what is true, however, is that three of the four sources are books, while the only one I can actually read to directly verify what it says is a primary source that does not assist notability at all. There is a potentially valid claim of notability as a bard and poet here, but it's impossible for me to assess whether she has a strong claim to passing WP:AUTHOR or not. So I can't definitively cast a keep or delete here yet — nominator is correct that she has no inherent notability as a politician, but I'd need somebody who actually has direct access to the books to evaluate whether there's enough content about her in the books to get her in the door as a writer before I could make an informed decision one way or the other. Bearcat (talk) 16:02, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Keeping or at least merging to Mebyon Kernow, which she helped found, may be in order. I am finding discussion about her as a person, such as Charles Thomas talking about her work as editor of New Cornwall and her political beliefs at Gathering the Fragments. The Celto-Cornish Movement and Folk Revival: Competing speech communities talks about her forming a dance school in Truro, though I cannot see much more than that in the snippet view. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am not convinced on this bard thing at all, the Gorsedd is a kind of cultural association where people gather seasonally to celebrate traditional culture. These groups also organise festivals. Apparently members of these organizations are divided into three ranks. Ovates, who wear green robes, Bards, who wear blue robes, and Druids, who wear white robes, The druids are higher ranking in the organization than the bards.

This is in my view no more relevant than documenting the carnival organisers in your local town carnival, since it's basically the same thing.

She has written poetry but I can't find evidence of it being published, this is more likely something to do with being a bard (singer/poet), but there does not appear to be much on it in sources.

She has written a political pamphlet (What is home rule?) and edited a local magazine run by her political party (New Cornwall).

sources

- "History of MK - the 50s and 60s". Retrieved 2008-03-24. - primary source from her political party.
- Bernard Deacon, Dick Cole, Garry Tregidga, Mebyon Kernow and Cornish Nationalism, Welsh Academic Press, 2003. amazon link - This is fine, but one of the co-authors is a former leader of her politcal party she is part of and I doubt it's independance.
- Gorseth Byrth Kernow (1967) Bards of the Gorsedd of Cornwall 1928-1967, Penzance: Gorseth - this is not a book, it is a kind of annual from the bardic orgainsation she is part of, this is a newer example.
- The Cornish Language and Its Literature By Peter Berresford Ellis, p.172 (Accessed on Google Books 24 March 2008). - can't tell if she is substantially covered in this.

In short Bearcat, I can't see this person meeting WP:AUTHOR. -- Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say she does, I said that it's a potentially valid notability claim pending the matter of whether there are solid sources available for that work or not. Bearcat (talk) 16:41, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes no worries. I thought I ought to fully explain my logic on the situation in case it helped. Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:42, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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