Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helen MacGowan Cooke

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Harry Leon Wilson. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helen MacGowan Cooke[edit]

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Does not appear to meet WP:NACTOR - local plays only. Article is full of references to her connections to other people, but notability is not inherited. Melcous (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Seasider53 (talk) 11:05, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Women, Theatre, California, New Jersey, Tennessee, and Washington, D.C.. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Satisfies the WP:BASIC guidelines by being supported by numerous reliable published sources, including secondary sources. Notable achievements include: Female actor, married to novelist Harry Leon Wilson, early settler in 1908 to the art colony of Carmel-by-the-Sea, photographed by Arnold Genthe, documented in the Library of Congress and Virtual International Authority File. Greg Henderson (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Greghenderson2006: being a female actor in itself does not confer notability, nor does being married to someone notable, nor does being photographed by a notable person. You have been told this so many times, please stop making such spurious arguments and try to focus on specific wikipedia criteria for notability. Melcous (talk) 22:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Greg, asserting a claim of notability on bases of something that do not qualify as notability criteria is perhaps bad faith resistance to deletion for no other reason than wanting it to stay even when you understand it doesn't meet GNG. Graywalls (talk) 08:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This article may appear to be well sourced, however when one examines the sources most of the references are not about her but are about other people, or there is a simple mention about her. Significant coverage is lacking. Editors participating in the AfD please read the sources and you will find this to be the case. The article is puffed-up with a lot of trivia that does not support her notability. That she was an actor who was married to a novelist and was an "early settler" in Carmel (dubious) and was photographed means nothing to establish notability whatsoever. This article is part of a large walled garden of non-notables in Carmel-by-the-Sea. Fails WP:NACTOR, WP:GNG, and WP:BASIC. Netherzone (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If not kept, redirect to Harry Leon Wilson and keep the categories and defaultsort on the redirect. PamD 10:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, notability cannot be inherited. Theroadislong (talk) 14:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not opposed to Keep but PamD's suggestion seems fair if not kept. To clarify: at least a redirect to Harry Leon Wilson, and partial merge, should be warranted in my view.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 01:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This person seems to have been an even less notable person than her sister. Again, what acting she did seems to have been all at this local theater, and she does not even seem to have played leading roles there. Her role in the theater's "inaugural" production is a minor role (King Saul's daughter in a play about King David). It looks like the whole family (if not the theater itself) are being hyped by someone. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.