Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hel (band) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus seems to be that this is notable, and while ideally I'd like to have more than three participants, it's already been relisted twice and I don't think things are going to change. (non-admin closure) Smartyllama (talk) 16:47, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hel (band)[edit]

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Non-notable band. The best source I can find is just a passing mention in this book. This band has been around since the 2000s, making the usual "there might be sources in non-digital content" claim slightly implausible. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. The editor whose username is Z0 13:34, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:35, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:35, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 12:15, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there appear to be sources in Swedish - [1][2][3]. Not a great collection of sources, but considering the era (late 1990 to early 2000s), it's just about passable. Hzh (talk) 13:33, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The first source is an interview, the second is a source by Nordic Resistance Movement, a neo-Nazi movement which has been described as a terrorist organization and the third is obviously not a reliable source. I don't see how this is passable. The editor whose username is Z0 13:48, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The first would suggest that there was a greater level of coverage on presumably a controversial aspect of the band, which would be linked to the second. Hzh (talk) 13:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If there truly was coverage, it wouldn't be difficult to locate reliable and independent sources to establish notability, which must not be based on assumptions. The sources you provided do not satisfy the notability criteria for both general or music. Presuming there exists a greater level of coverage is et suppositio nil ponit in esse. The editor whose username is Z0 14:17, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've already added the part about the era (yes, archiving of news sources to be made available for search on the internet is a real issue, a problem encountered in many articles), and the issue with WP:INTERVIEW is more nuanced and the concern is more about WP:PROMOTION. Hzh (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(comment, not argument) It's not necessarily easy to locate sources in Swedish, because you have to wade through a lot of false positives. "Hel", in addition to being a core figure in Norse mythology (from which the group got the name), also means "whole", "entire", "intact", "complete" etc, and is used in many idioms. It's a very common word no matter what you combine it with, even though the band (WP:IKNOWIT) was not insignificant in their genre back then.

With that said, no matter the potential difficulty, we need to have sources and verifiability or we can't have an article, of course. /Julle (talk) 17:14, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep This band appears to have had a significant enough impact on the early 2000s viking metal scene to meet the notability standard. It's somewhat difficult to track down sources in part because there are at least three European metal bands called Hel. Simonm223 (talk) 17:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Passable number of sources available. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 12:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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