Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Healing arts

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The result was redirect to Medicine. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Healing arts[edit]

No notability independent of Nambassa which the article admits is where it was practised, what it was named for. The 'owner' won't let me redirect it to Nambassa, that's where it should be or more notably a synonym for alternative medicine but not one anyone would ever put in the search bar as it's a vague phrase that could apply in many contexts, as any searcher would know. Sticky Parkin 23:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Medicine, the most basic article that could be described by "healing arts". Rklear (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Rklear's suggestion. Mangoe (talk) 01:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to disagree on the basis that Healings arts is a term used prolifically by the New Age movement. Given that a Google search on it gives up some 2.5 million hits I think this provides sufficient support for it to stand on its own independent merit. Mombas (talk) 07:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Mombas is the article's creator) It gets so many hits because it's such a vague phrase, it's just two words together which can be used in numerous contexts. And Rklear is right, I hadn't thought of it due to alt med being the current focus of my editing but medicine would be the most obvious suggestion. The phrase often involves the licensing of people to practice as physicians. [1] Sticky Parkin 18:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Healing arts is clearly a terminology which relates to alternative healing or alternative medicine, (over 2 millions hits). However, for argument sake, there are an abundance of other Wikipedia articles under this category which stand on their own, but to which one could also merge with any one of the mentioned healing categories. While Healing arts does have a relationship to alternative healing categories it is sufficiently independent and used publicly as such, to warrant its own category to which other editors can contribute to. I am at pains to understand why you are picking on Healing arts and I don't feel that you have provided sufficient support to warrant your initial proposal. cheers Mombas (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 09:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 09:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spirituality-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 09:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Medicine, very general term that might describe primitive rather than new-age - SimonLyall (talk) 10:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Simon, while I would accept your right to choose specific meanings for words, in this instance your reason for redirecting Healing arts on the basis that it sounds primitive, tend to demonstrate your lack of understanding of the meaning of New Age and Healing arts. In case you are confused, in this context New Age does not mean the modern age as apposed to the primitive age. New Age is a belief system much of which is based upon ancient spiritual tradition. If you took the time to Google “Healing arts” you would have found some 2.4 million hits, many of which the word Healing arts is used prolifically by the New Age movement to describe an array of techniques used for alternative healing. My initial article, to which is based upon these factors, if you care to take a look, looks to build upon the term which is far greater than the present Nambassa use of it. Cheers mate.Mombas (talk) 04:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

comment - In that case the problems seems to be that the term is too general to have it's own article. It's just seems to be another term for Medicine, Holistic health, Alternative medicine, Traditional medicine etc and should be redirect to one of them - SimonLyall (talk) 09:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fundamental Rewrite - the article as it stands is too narrow in focus and I have tagged it as such. The "healing arts" have been practised (and practiced) for many centuries in many different cultures. It is a concept that was current throughout European history (c.f. The Healing Arts: Health, Disease and Society in Europe 1500-1800 by Peter Elmer). The narrow focus on the "new age" movement is exmplified by doing the google search that Mombas suggests (2.1 million) and then removing the "new age" hits. The resulting list is 1.7 million. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguation This term has multiple meanings. Looking through Google Books results, I see a fairly equal number of books using this term in relation to medicine, alternative medicine, and traditional medicine. Healing arts should be a disambiguation page with links to these three subjects. Nambassa could be linked to as well, if the use of the term in that context meets inclusion criterion for a disambiguation page. Ryan Paddy (talk) 01:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to medicine, as that article should cover all types of medicine. Or disambiguate if editors cannot agree on target of redirect.Yobmod (talk) 10:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.