Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heah Joo Seang

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The result was speedy keep. SK#1: nom withdrawn, and no other deletion arguments (non-admin closure) czar · · 02:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Heah Joo Seang[edit]

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I feel this is too promotional to be here, but I want to make sure the person isn't notable enough to stay with some clean-up. Jeremy112233 (talk) 20:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I have confined myself to facts rather than opinions. If you identify a particular point/item or particular points/items and let me know why you think that item or those items in each case are too promotional, I would be happy to expand on them in order to prove that they are not. For the entry, I have mainly used contemporaneous sources i.e. newspaper articles of events at the time they occurred. However, here are a list of books, papers etc that you may refer to to get more information on this person:

On his actions which some have interpreted as nationalistic and protecting the rights of Straits Chinese/Peranakans and others, but which other saw as anti-government, sedition and promoting the removal of Penang, Malacca and Singapore from the Federation of Malaya and reconstituting them into their earlier state viz The Straits Settlements, Crown Colonies:

Christie, C.J. (2000) A Modern History of Southeast Asia: Decolonization, Nationalis, and Separatism. London: I.B. Tauris & Co. Ltd. pp.37-39, 43
Chua, A.L. (2008) 'Imperial Subjects, Straits Citizens: Anglophone Asians and the Struggle for Political Rights in Inter-War Singapore' in Paths Not Taken: Political Pluralism in Post-War Singapore, edited by Professors Michael D. Barr and Carl A. Trocki. Singapore: NUS Press. pp.22-23, 34-35
Koh T.A. (1992) 'Literature in English by the Chinese' in Chinese Adaptation and Diversity: Essays on Society and Literature in Indonesia, Malaysia & Singapore edited by Prof. Dr. Leo Suryadinata. Singapore: Singapore University Press. p.162-163
Ooi K.G. (2009) Historical Dictionary of Malaysia. Scarecrow Press Inc. p.248.
Ooi, K.G. (2009) The A to Z of Malaysia. Scarecrow Press Inc. p.248.
Kratoska, P.H. (1998) The Japanese Occupation of Malaya 1941-1945. London: C. Hurst & Co. p.101.
Mohamed Noordin Sopiee (2005) From Malayan Union to Singapore Separation: Political Unification in the Malaysia Region, 1945-65. Kuala Lumpur: University Malaya Press. pp.72-73, 90.

Mainly to do with his involvement in the Malayan Rubber Industry:

Mako, Y. (2008) 'Japan's Economic Policy for Occupied Malaya' in New Perspectives on the Japanese Occupation in Malaya and Singapore, 1941-1945 edited by Yōji Akashi, Mako Yoshimura. p.133
Saravanamuthu M. (2010) The Sara Saga Penang: Acrea Books. pp.85-86 (Originally published in 1970 by Cathay Printers).
Yoshihara, Kunio (1988) The Rise of Erstaz Capitalism in South-East Asia. Oxford University Press. p.204.

General biographical entries on Heah Joo Seang:

Tan, K.H. (2007) The Chinese in Penang: A Pictorial History. Penang: Acrea Books. p.111.
Lee, K.H. and Chow, M.S. (1997) Biogra(2007) Biographical Dictionary of the Chinese in Malaysia. Selangor: Pelanduk Publication. pp.50-51
Historical Personalities of Penang (1986). Penang: Phoenix Press. p.67.

Actually, I am not sure what to give you until you point out the problem parts and why you think they are problematic, otherwise your challenge is vague and sweeping. Heah Joo Seang is considered notable in Malaysia and there is even a road named after him in Penang. The following search "Heah Joo Seang" site:.gov.my will show you that he turns up on Malaysian Government sites particularly - The Attorney General's Chambers, The Penang Museum and the National Archives of Malaysia.

When he was first nominated for Municipal Commissioner - this was way back in 1932 - the newspaper wrote, "The Straits Chinese British Association ballot to select the candidate to be put before the Governor for nomination to the Municipal Commission, which has been keenly looked forward to in view of the fact that the sitting member is being opposed, for the first time, by another candidate in the person of Mr. Heah Joo Seang, opened today in the presence of a committee. The voting resulted in Mr. Heah Joo Seang's favour by a majority of 21 over Mr. Lim Eow Thoon who secured 138 votes to Mr. Heah Joo Seang's 159. Mr. Heah Joo Seang is president of the S.C.B.A., and Mr. Lim Eow Thoon is a past president. Mr. Heah Joo Seang, when he assumes office, will be the youngest Municipal Commissioner. He is the head of one of the biggest rubber firms in Malaya, Hin Giap and Co. and his rise has been meteoric. He is founder of the Penang Wembley Trade Amusement Park." [The Straits Times, 9 December 1932, Page 12]

If you go to Google Scholar and do a search on him you will see the papers in which he is mentioned http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22Heah+Joo+Seang%22&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= to wit:

[CITATION] The Singapore rubber market

J Wilson - 1958 - Eastern Universities Press Cited by 11 Related articles Cite

[CITATION] Koh Sin Hock

TANS INN - Malaysia in History, 1980 - Malaysian Historical Society. Cite

[CITATION] BAJA DEDAUN

F FERTILIZER - The Planter - Incorporated Society of Planters Cite

[CITATION] Slug and Nettle Caterpillars.

PAC Ooi - The Planter - Incorporated Society of Planters Cite

[CITATION] An Ambassador Par Excellence: Tun Omar Yoke-Lin's Years in Washington, 1962-1973

C Jeshurun - The Journal of Diplomacy and Foreign Relations, 2007 Cited by 1 Related articles Cite

[CITATION] Report on the Conference on Community Development: Held at the Tunku Abdul Rahman Hall, Kuala Lumpur, on 20th and 22nd September 1958

Malaya - 1958 - GA Smith, Government Printer Cite

Nation, Race, and Language: Discussing transnational identities in colonial Singapore, circa 1930

CA Lin - Modern Asian Studies, 2012 - Cambridge Univ Press ... One of the society's trustees, Heah Joo Seang, described its members as, 'Leaders of thought, lovers of truth, champions of the cause of justice, democracy and liberty': see Malaya Tribune, 14 December 1940, p. 6. 16 Colonial Office (CO) file series CO 273/606/50055/3 ... Related articles All 2 versions Cite

[CITATION] Annual Report-Malayan Agricultural Producers Association

Malayan Agricultural Producers Association - 1979 - Malayan Agricultural Producers … Cite

The Penang Secession Movement, 1948-1951

MN Sopiee - Journal of Southeast Asian Studies, 1973 - Cambridge Univ Press ... Malayan citizenship." 4 Some also wanted no other citizenship. Heah Joo Seang, a former president of the Penang Straits Chinese British Association put the matter strongly. He wrote: "The Straits Chinese of Malacca and Penang ... Cited by 1 Related articles All 3 versions Cite [PDF] from unirazak.edu.my

[PDF] Malaysia and the Consociational Option: Is there a Path Dependent Logic?

A Noh - unirazak.edu.my ... Chinese business interests in Penang, who refused to give up their British citizenship and take on Malayan citizenship. Heah Joo Seang, who at the time headed Penang's Straits Chinese Business Association (SCBA), remarked “I ... Related articles Cite More [PDF] from usm.my

[PDF] Penang Shimbun Vol III No 307 December 23 2604 (23 December 1944).

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[PDF] Japan and Malaysian Economy; An Analysis of the Relations Started with Reparations after the End of World War II

H Fujio - Formation and Restructuring of Business Groups in … - d-arch.ide.go.jp Page 1. CHAPTER 6 Japan and Malaysian Economy; An Analysis of the Relations Started with Reparations after the End of World War II Hara Fujio 1. Objectives of this Study In the last decade, the Japanese Government has ... Cited by 1 Related articles All 2 versions Cite Malaysia: Immigration and the growth of a plural society KK Kim - Journal of the Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic …, 1998 - JSTOR Page 1. MALAYSIA: IMMIGRATION AND THE GROWTH OF A PLURAL SOCIETY* by KHOO KAY KIM Introduction Malaysia population country has has structure experienced long been not cited in only modern as reflects an times, example the but extraordinary has of had ... Cited by 9 Related articles All 2 versions Cite [PDF] from bupedu.com

The Evolution of Chinese Malaysian Entrepreneurship: From British Colonial Rule to Post-New Economic Policy

CY Whah - Journal of Chinese Overseas, 2008 - muse.jhu.edu ... 1982: 149). In the 1950s, there were a number of sizable Chinese rubber estates: Unitac Ltd, Lee Rubber Estates Ltd., Ko Rubber Plantations Ltd., and Heah Joo Seang Rubber Estates Ltd (Puthucheary 1979: 127). In 1956 ... Cited by 2 Related articles All 3 versions Cite

Perhaps if you read Chinese you could do a Google search using "连裕祥" and use Translate to understand more about this man who was esteemed by the Chinese-speaking community.

However most of what exists on Heah Joo Seang is in the books published that talk about our early 20th century economic and political development and our rubber trade and those are not accessible on the internet but via the libraries at our universities - I use the University of Malaya which is nearest where I live and our national archives (Arkib Negara Malaysia) which is also near where I live.

jefferyseow (talk) 04:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have also just added this to his entry to help support the proposition that he indeed was a notable person:

Crowds swelling to well over 50,000 lined an eight-mile route today for the funeral of the late Mr. Heah Joo Seang, millionaire rubber magnate and Penang MCA President, whose body was flown home last week from London where he died on May 14. The two-mile procession in which 15 associations and 12 schools took part, was the longest seen in Penang for many years. 5,000 people. Three Cabinet Ministers together with the Governor of Penang, Raja Tun Uda Al-Haj, and the Chief Minister, Inche Aziz Ibrahim, were among the 5,000 people who followed the hearse on its last journey. Early arrivals were Tun Leong Yew Koh, Minister of Justice, Mr. Tan Siew Sin, Minister of Finance and National President of the MCA, Dato Ong Yoke Lin, Minister of Health and Social Welfare, and Mr. Cheah Theam Swee, assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry. The Prime Minister, Tengku Abdul Rahman, the Deputy Prime Minister, Tun Abdul Razak, and the Governor, Raja Tun Uda Al-Haj, were among those who sent wreaths. Crowds started to gather from an early hour. Before the procession lined up, the coffin was taken out of the Heah mansion, Goodwood, in Macalister Road, and laid on the lawn where representatives of various schools and organisations paid their last respects to the late Mr. Heah. Mr. Yeo Hui Tung, a leader of the Teochew community, then read out an eulogy. Although timed to start at 11.30 a.m., the procession could not get moving until 12.15 p.m. Led by Senator Cheah Seng Khim and other members of the funeral committee, it proceeded along Macalister Road to the Church of Seven Sorrows where the first stage of the procession broke up. 'Last look.' It re-assembled later in front of the Teochew Association at Chulia Street and made its way to Beach Street to give the late Mr. Heah a "last look" at his office, Hock Lye Co., Ltd. The hearse, followed by 200 cars, then proceeded to Mount Erskine Cemetery where the burial took place at 5. p.m. after full Buddhist rites. Three school bands---St. Xavier's corps of drums and the Han Chiang and Jit Sin High School bands--marched with the procession. Among the 15 political parties, local guilds and associations which took part were UMNO and MCA youths, MCA women, UMNO and MIC members, the Teochew Hoay Kuan, the Kwangtung and Tengchow Associations, the Chiense Chamber of Commerce and the Penang Rubber Trade Association. Flags of various clubs and associations with which the late Mr. Heah was actively connected flew their flags at half-mast today.

Source: The Straits Times, 28 May 1962, Page 18 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jefferyseow (talk • contribs) 04:26, 16 August 2013(UTC)

Keep. As former president of the Badminton Association of Malaysia notable. --Florentyna (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The clean-up appears to have worked. I'll vote to let it stay now.Jeremy112233 (talk) 15:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rubbish. You have no idea what you are talking about Jeremy. I've seen your own entries. 3 citations and that's what you consider notable (facepalm). Duh! What in the clean up suddenly made this person whom you thought was un-notable, notable? What made the promotional suddenly not promotional? Double facepalm duh. Clean up worked? Yeah, right! jefferyseow (talk) 02:07, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Easy Tiger, let's try to keep this discussion respectful. From what I've seen of the discussion here and the content and sources in the article it appears he was a very prominent business leader as well as a politician. Can you please be specific about why you think the article is promotional or why his career isn't worth including? Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As former president of the Badminton Association of Malaysia clearly relevant. For me it is more a thing of quality control of the article than an afd case. --Florentyna (talk) 18:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Struck your second "keep" as a duplicate of above czar · · 02:42, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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