Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heads or Tails (film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep film article. No Consensus on the two biographies. They might benefit from a seperate relisting but they are not geting full consideration as part of this omnibus listing. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heads or Tails (film)[edit]

No notability asserted. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 04:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because they fail the notability guidelines and exist solely for self-promotional usage, and as such fail AUTO and COI. Main editor of both, Maryannmann (talk · contribs), appears to be a SPA, and is demonstrably Jeff Keilholtz per this diff.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. —PC78 (talk) 13:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto for Maryann Mann Tedickey (talk) 13:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note Her notability as a writer is now sourced. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC) Minor sourcing only. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ONLY the film ~~Keep All~~. With respects to the nom, and disregarding the author's COI as the articles now belong to Wiki... I found and others..... which all have coverage of the film or its filmmakers. Though not all are "in depth", the amount of coverage is significant and I believe the article and filmakers as notable enough to an asset to Wiki if the articles are cleaned up. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hmm- most of the pages that I found discussing Jeff were written by Maryann. And the Atlantic Free Press appears to be a blogfarm. Tedickey (talk) 23:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After deeper research, I agree.

Update I just finished preliminary sourcing of the film's article and have not used anything written by Maryann, finding significant coverage in WP:RS. Maryann's notability as a writer may be iffy, but the film's is not. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

true (the film exists, though I've read some questionable pages on imdb...). My interest is in the two topics devoted to Jeff and his alias Tedickey (talk) 02:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paints Jeff as a very creative writer... but not a notable actor. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Maryann to Jeff as his nome-de-plume. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I accept the point and concur. Perhaps the Jeff and Maryanne articles might be combined as they being the same person... though I would not know who belongs to whom (chuckle), so I'll withdraw any keep opinions for them. However, I still feel the film Heads or Tails now has an established notability despite the original author. Maybe it would have been best to have not combined two BLP AfD's with one film AfD, but I trust that the nom felt the connections were important. I have modified my opinion above accordingly. Thanks. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Heads or Tails (film) and Jeff Keilholtz; they seem (just about) to pass our notability requirements. Delete Maryann Mann as it does not - that article doesn't have any references from secondary sources, and it doesn't appear that any exist. Terraxos (talk) 00:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Foxy Loxy ^Pounce! 02:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Notable film, has received significant press coverage.--24.129.100.84 (talk) 13:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Mann's article as a copyvio of this. (And how can you focus on something extensively?) Delete Keilholtz's article as asserting only the most minor of significance as an actor; as for writing, Keilholtz pens sociopolitical commentary under a pseudonym. He is published by a variety of publications. With no names and no evidence? As for the movie, I don't know. I see that it cost nothing to make, which might make it interesting. IMDB offers just on external review, but the website hosting it is dead. Morenoodles (talk) 09:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per User:MichaelQSchmidt. now sourced, meets notability. travb (talk) 03:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.