Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Head of the Luhansk People's Republic

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Luhansk People's Republic. Can also find the discussion at the Talk page. (non-admin closure) iMahesh (talk) 01:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Head of the Luhansk People's Republic[edit]

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Reason. WP:GNG not passed. Like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Governor of Zaporozhye Oblast, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Governor of Kherson Oblast (Russia), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Head of the Donetsk People's Republic Panam2014 (talk) 10:37, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 August 18. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 10:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and Ukraine. Shellwood (talk) 12:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I understand the argument in favor of merging, but isn't the governor of an oblast automatically notable? Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:24, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To be specific, this article isn’t about the governor of an oblast, but the post of head (glava) of a civil-military occupation authority. I don’t see anything about it in Category:Wikipedia notability guidelines or Category:WikiProject notability advice. I doubt every public post is automatically notable, because in some places that would include postmaster, dogcatcher, and head of snow removal in tiny hamlets. —Michael Z. 17:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The references include articles about specific events or people, but I don’t see significant coverage of the post of head of LNR anywhere. —Michael Z. 17:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Either Keep or Merge to Luhansk People's Republic, with Donetsk People's Republic#Head of the Donetsk People's Republic as an example. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 18:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per countless articles titled "President of X" where X stands for a country (President of France, President of Palestine, etc.) or subnational entity (Chief Minister of Sindh, Governor of California, etc.). Often we even go further down to posts of city heads (Mayor of London, Governor of Tokyo, etc.). The post of a head of a quasi-independent, even if largely unrecognised country certainly meets WP:GNG. — kashmīrī ^TALK 20:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know of any RS calling the DPR "quasi-independent", but there are many RS calling it "Russian-controlled" or even "Russian puppet state". Rsk6400 (talk) 07:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many countries have been called puppet states. I recall the UK being called so during Blair's premiership. And it's fairly routine for smaller countries not to be entirely independent of their bigger neighbours; nor is it unusual for bigger powers to install puppet regimes elsewhere. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My point was that your term "quasi-independent" is not supported by RS that I know of. But that's irrelevant, since the only point that matters here is the absence of "significant coverage" in RS (a quote from GNG). Rsk6400 (talk) 06:08, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This was never a quasi-independent country. The post of its puppet head is not an encyclopedic subject, and independent secondary sources don’t write about it. GNG doesn’t say anything resembling the argument above, and the conclusion of “certainly meets” is based on nothing and wrong. —Michael Z. 19:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mzajac Neither London nor Tokyo have ever been independent countries, yet we have articles about those posts, so your attempt to base notability on sovereignty fails. — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You’re missing my points. —Michael Z. 19:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Luhansk People's Republic or Delete. The article doesn't contain any sourced information about the office as such (like a scholarly or even journalistic analysis of its functions), only a list of officeholders. There aren't even sufficient sources that "Head" is the official title in English (The Reuters source uses both "chief" and "head", the latter seeming to be a translation by Reuters from a Russian video, the Kremlin source uses "acting head" for the period after the annexation.) Rsk6400 (talk) 06:51, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - An encyclopaedic article can and should be written about the chief executive office of a state, even a largely unrecognised one (per Kashmiri). This article, though, is not that. It needs RS and text about the office (per Rsk6400) as well as the officeholders that currently appear. If Draftify is not on the table, I'd go with the deletionists on this one and hope someone comes along and makes a better article later. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 21:19, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 00:15, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:32, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Russia. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 13:21, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Luhansk People's Republic. This article could in the future be revisited with more sources as its own page, but at present not enough reliable information is cited to warrant its own page. Once there is more information regarding the office, this should be redrafted. Sheeredit3 (talk) 14:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sheeredit3, you just started editing two days ago, how did you find your way to this AFD discussion, knowing correct terminology and code? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Draftify: I'm convinced the subject is highly likely to be notable. There are thousands of law articles on the Republics if you check google scholar and I'm highly skeptical of claims this topic is non-notable. However, I do concede the sourcing concerns of the current article so I'd support draftifying until its fixed. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 22:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Luhansk People's Republic, for now, as (in the exercise of editorial judgment and after considering WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE and WP:WHYN) it appears to me that the available sourcing isn't consistent with what I'd want for a standalone article. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 17:33, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak merge or draftify Although notability is trivial to demonstrate, the article is just a stub right now. The table of Heads can be moved to the main article if it isn’t there already.

With that said, if the article actually contained anything substantially useful, or if it were to be expanded significantly during the discussion, I would vote keep in that case since the topic itself is absolutely notable.

In other words, I agree fully with @Last1in.

Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or simply redirect to Luhansk People's Republic -- setting aside whether notability could be demonstrated for the subject, given the lack of available, meaningful coverage a redirect to the related topic is appropriate. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.