Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hboot

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is there is no notability here, and there is no sourced content to merge. Courcelles 00:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hboot[edit]

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This article is about one specific moment in the lifetime of the booting cycle in Android phones only. There is no evidence of any notability of this subject. A google search yields many unreliable sources (forums and blogs). In addition, the only source on the page is a link to another wiki. I have checked Android (operating system) and Booting, and it would not be reasonable to merge the article into either of them. Ryan Vesey (talk) 20:30, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not notable. Kilmer-san (talk) 06:52, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the opinion of not notable by a few does not constitute deletion. the importance of this stage in boot cycle is an increasingly popular area of concern now. Edufur (talk) 23:02, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- It is the job of the article to prove notability. This page does not meet the general notability guidelines. Ryan Vesey (talk) 06:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - It merely takes a Google search of 'What is hboot' to quickly realize that there is a lot of information in forums; but a more official publication (such as this one) is needed to solidify what it is. Forums such as XDA, Android, HTC, and Dell all are starved for an area of definition even though it is clearly known in the developer community. This makes it notable. And this site makes it more official. If you took the time to do the research, I am sure you would agree. By your present argument, I could argue that most of the content in Wikipedia doesn't deserve to exist. However, any content is good, as long as it isn't false. The bytes of storage are not costing you anything. Edufur (talk) 08:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - The problem here is stated in your post. An official publication is needed to solidify what it is. Wikipedia is not the place for a publication to solidify what something is. That makes it original research. Wikipedia must be based on reliable third party sources because the threshold for inclusion is verifiability not truth. As I stated in my deletion reasoning earlier, a google search yields forums and blogs not reliable, third party sources. Ryan Vesey (talk) 08:35, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - In that case, I stand corrected. Here is at least one credible source of information that paints part of the picture. Based on satisfying your objection, I see no further reason to push for deletion. http://linux.die.net/man/1/hboot Edufur (talk) 08:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - This one case merely proves the existence of Hboot. It does not give any indication of the notability of the subject. Ryan Vesey (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        THAT case is a strong resource (non forum) of what it is, satisfying your second objection. The first objection of notability is easily satisfied by searching forums or even HTC's communication page where they are being hammered by users who are furious that hboot is not unlocked for the EVO 3D. The question of hboot often arises in many forums. It is very notable as these forums have a lot of traffic. Edufur (talk) 08:51, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

merge to Android OS or similar. This is a portion of a boot cycle, of course there are tons of ghits, but Google hits don't prove notability. This is no more notable than any other moment in any OS' boot cycle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HominidMachinae (talk • contribs) 02:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I never said notability came from 'ghits', I said that notability is easily satisfied by searching forums or even HTC's communication page where they are being hammered by users who are furious that hboot is not unlocked for the EVO 3D. The question of hboot often arises in many forums. It is very notable as these forums have a lot of traffic and activity!! Edufur (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.55.55.39 (talk) [reply]

I understand, I should be more clear. In my opinion these really aren't reliable sources. Because of the nature of technology you will get a lot of discussion and GHits of many technical processes and files and parts of boot loads that really aren't separately notable. A good example would be almost any minor .DLL file. Though it's not notable there will be thousands upon thousands of forum posts about it, what to do when you receive "cannot load foo.dll", what programs might overwrite foo.dll, and so on. That can give a false impression in my opinion. HominidMachinae (talk) 08:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.