Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hazrat Syed Shah Nasiruddin

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The result was delete. Copyright violation. Can be recreated in a non-copyvio manner. Sandstein 16:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hazrat Syed Shah Nasiruddin[edit]

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO. The only web sources I could find outside Wikipedia were links to banglapedia.org, and books and scholar sources came up empty. (Is it possible that the person's name is misspelled here? I keep getting suggestions for Hazrat Syed Shah Naseeruddin when I search...) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As it is, I believe this person might be better suited to be merged with Shah Jalal since that appears to be what he is most notable for. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If the person is indeed notable, sure :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - suspect this is Badar Shah Following the instructions of Hazrat Shah Jalal (R), Badar Shah and the twelve Awlias defeated King Achak Narayan of Taraf and established Muslim rule there. Badar Shah then started to spread the message of islam in Chittagong. Several places in Chittagong are associated with him: Badartila (hathazari thana), Badarkhali (chokoria thana), Badarkua (cox's bazar) and Badar Mokam (Akyab in Arakan). In 1340 Badar Shah helped kadal khan gazi, the general of fakruddin Mubarak, Several places in Chittagong are associated with him: Badartila (hathazari thana), Badarkhali (chokoria thana), Badarkua (cox's bazar) and Badar Mokam (Akyab in Arakan). In 1340 Badar Shah helped kadal khan gazi, the general of fakruddin Mubarak shah, to capture Chittagong. The original name of Chittagong, Chattagram, is believed to have derived from the word chati or lamp. According to the legend, in the fourteenth century Chittagong was overrun by jinns and fairies who ....[1] we also have this story here - Badarkhali. Seems like this is probably notable (e.g. SOLDIER - the Awlias seem to have been accompanying a military force - 3,000 infantry and 1,000 cavalry. Shah Jalal seems to have had 360 Awlias, so 12 might not be so many in the Awlias scale) - but this needs Bengali sources.Icewhiz (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I think this is General (Sipahsalar) Syed Nasiruddin, mentioned at Shamsuddin Firoz Shah#Expansion of kingdom. If kept, I think the article should be moved to "Syed Nasiruddin". I see mention of him under that name in a number of places at google books, but the only detail that he led in the battle against Gaur Govinda ("nasiruddin", "syed+nasiruddin", and many books with only snippet view for me). I'm fairly sure Badar Shah is a different figure; in some sources, both names are present and seemingly designating different individuals (p140 and p160). One page, Habiganj District, said that there was once a state, Nasirabad, named for Nasiruddin Sipahsalar, but I am suspicious, as there are plenty of Bengali Nasiruddin's who were better known and could have served as a namesake (see: here) and I cut it. A version of this text has existed at that page since December, 2008([2]). As such, I think we should probably keep and cleanup this article if it he is deemed encyclopedic or keep an eye out for and tabs on recreations if not. Smmurphy^(Talk) 19:34, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We possibly have a synthesis here of two individuals here (unless this copy-paste story dates back to the 14th century...) - I went the alternate route of checking the underlying story (which I often do when I think that there would be a multitude of transliterations possible for the name) - starting out from "At Shah Jalal's direction, accompanied by twelve saints, he attacked and defeated king Achak Narayan of Taraf and became administrator there" - I see the story of the army with the twelve Awlias defeating King Achak Narayan of Taraf ascribed to Badar Shah.Icewhiz (talk) 06:19, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I follow. There is a list of the twelve Awlias at Shaharpara - with brief biographies of each in an older version of that page[3]. None of them have names that match Badar Shah or Syed Shah. The pir for Syed Shah is in Habibganj, while that of Badar Shah is in Chittagong. This page has Syed Nasiruddin born in Baghdad, while Badr Shah was, I think, born in Meerut[4][5]. Also, I found the entry in Banglapedia (2003) for Syed Nasruddin [6]. This article is a copy of that, thus I have !voted below. The entry for Badar Shah is here:[7]. Smmurphy^(Talk) 20:08, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete as a copyvio.[8] The subject is encyclopedic, as he has an entry in Banglapedia, the national encyclopedia of Bangladesh (per ANYBIO, anyone with such an entry is likely suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia). If there is agreement, I'll try to make a stub for him (and Badar Shah) to prevent further inappropriate re-creation. Smmurphy^(Talk) 20:08, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- If he is in a national encyclopaedia, he is probably notable. If there is a copy-vio, then reduce to a stub and cite the work plagiarised. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that is how copyright violations are handled. In this case, the entire page is a copy, and there is not old version of the page which is not a copy. Hence, there is no amount of revdel that would deal with the problem (WP:DCV). Smmurphy^(Talk) 16:21, 2 April 2018 (UTC).[reply]

If you want, you can stub it down with a good reference, then all the previous edits can be revdeled as copyvios (as was recently done at Henry Corbin (colonist)). Or you can just speedy delete it and let it be recreated or recreate it yourself. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 16:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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