Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hayley Ovens

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Kurykh (talk) 07:07, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hayley Ovens[edit]

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Does not seem to meet WP:NTRACK, as she didn't finish in the top 8 at the Commonwealth Games or top 3 in another international competition. Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:19, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:48, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:GNG met. Article could use further expansion and reference integration, not deletion. Hmlarson (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 00:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Comments on the sources listed by Hmlarson?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 06:00, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Common sense should indicate that a national athletics champion who competed at several major games is suitable for inclusion. --Michig (talk) 06:52, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We have WP:NTRACK for a reason. Just competing a the national level isn't enough. Lots of people do that, as there are lots of nations that have lots of championships every year. Instead, you have to have won a national championship or placed highly in an international championship to get presumed notability. If you disagree with that, take it up with Wikipedia:WikiProject Athletics. Failing a presumption of notability based on WP:NTRACK, you have to demonstrate that their was a sufficient level of non-routine significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article to satisfy WP:GNG. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:08, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A guideline is a rule of thumb, and should never override common sense. Having said that, since Ovens was a national champion (2003 and 2006 1500m AAA indoor champion), satisfying criterion 5 of that guideline, and competed in the World Indoor Championships in 2003, satisfying criterion 1, she satisfies WP:NTRACK. --Michig (talk) 16:43, 10 April 2017 (UTC) Actually she also won the 1500m AAA indoor in 2005 - see this. So a 3-time national champion who also competed in the World Indoor Championships. --Michig (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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