Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hari Sauri Dasa

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The result was consensus = Delete. I did note the idea of merging to a non existent article called Prabhupada Travel Companions. Please contact me if editors think this is viable and I will restore content to a sandbox.. --VS ^talk 10:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hari Sauri Dasa[edit]

Individual is not notable, also there are no independent reliable sources in the article. The page appears to be an advertisement for this individual's book. Does not meet the standards of Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Ism schism (talk) 04:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The individual must be notable and sourced with independent reliable sources. This has not been demonstrated. Ism schism (talk) 04:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Hari Sauri is notable as both a spiritual leader, and western convert to Hinduism. Over 18,000 hits on Google. This article has good scope for improvement in future. Regards, Gouranga(UK) (talk) 12:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response This article has been on Wikipedia for about 3 years. This is ample time for other sites which mimic Wikipedia to pick the article up. This number you are using, 18,000 thousand hits, is meaningless unless you show which of those 18,000 is acutally a reliable source that backs up your claims that the subject is notable. So far I only see an advertisement for his books. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 03:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Ism schism - the subject matter IS notable. I don't think there are 18,000 mirror sites of this Wikipedia article entry on the web. Also from my own experience, Hari Sauri dasa is a well known individual in his field. Regards, Gouranga(UK) (talk) 11:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gouranga, again, where are the reliable sources that establish article's notability, aside from book advertisements and "your own experience." Your experience is valuable for this article, but only if it allows you access to reliable sources. Please show these reliable sources and demomstrate how the subject is notable. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 13:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wikidas has added new references in this article that still fail to meet Wikipedia's standards for Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Please note that websites owned by the subject of the article are not reliable and books published by the subject must be reviewed (verified) to see if this attribute is notable. Many preachers write books, diaries, weblogs, etc. These are not Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Also, articles which mention the subject in passing are also not reliable sources. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, in its present state, the article still fails to satisfy Wikipedia standards for notability of people. Ism schism (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative Proposal Instead of deletion I would support merging parts of this article into a new article 'Prabhupada Travel Companions' along with other travel servants of Prabhupada who are not notable otherwise.Wikidas (talk) 14:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidas, this might be a better solution. I wonder what other editor think. Any thoughts anybody? Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 14:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the logic in this. An article entitled Travel Companions doesn't sound like a relevant encyclopedic subject matter. Hari Sauri is notable enough as a preacher and religious leader, and western convert to Hinduism. Gouranga(UK) (talk) 18:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have an open mind, but how do we know that? Do we have any readership statistics on his book, for example? Relata refero (talk) 18:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY ^talk _contribs 04:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hari Sauri Dasa is NOT a member of the Governing Body Commission. Please see, [1]. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It also says that in his article. He held a GBC post until 1984. Many current members of the GBC will not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, and some non-GBC members will be, because they are famous as writers, speakers, or religious leaders. Personally I'd still say that a simple article is appropriate in this instance. Gouranga(UK) (talk) 17:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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