Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Handshake (band)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete (both). Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Handshake (band)[edit]
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Disputed prod on World Won't Wait EP. Band article was previously speedied as A7. Neither the band nor their EP is notable per WP:BAND and WP:MUSIC. Unsigned and makes no claims to notability. Redfarmer (talk) 12:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Dispute: The page was originally deleted due to a lack of notability. However, this has since been addressed under the following guidelines: "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria: 6. Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable." Are there further issues which need to be addressed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerrykez13 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If you are referring to Belisha (band), I'd hardly call them notable. They've been around since 2001 and have not recorded an album yet. If I'm denied a speedy delete on them, I'm bring them to AfD next. As for Handshake, you would need to establish they have been the subject of non-trivial secondary source coverage per WP:BAND. Redfarmer (talk) 13:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fails to meet WP:MUSIC notability, unsigned band, no independent references. WWGB (talk) 13:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: There's an article in Essex Folk News (2007), ed. New, J. regarding the rise, history and importance of the band in folk circles. The band were also heavily used in the promotion of Stonehenge for the 'New 7 Wonders' campaign. BBC south covered the event, and the band's performance. A German TV company also covered the ceremony and interviewed the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerrykez13 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Of what band? If you're referring to Belisha again, you should note that even if that band is notable, being a member of it does not guarantee automatic notability for future projects. When you quoted criteria six, you left out the last part: "note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such." If you are saying Handshake has been important in folk circles, I'd like to see that backed up with sources since the band has only been around two years with one EP. Redfarmer (talk) 13:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: No, I'm referring to Handshake's importance in folk circles. Of course, this is difficult to prove. Essex Folk News publish entirely in print rather than electronically. Perhaps you could buy a copy, it's not that expensive. As for Belisha, I do not know too much about them, so I cannot argue their notability. I presumed that because they had not been deleted that someone considered them notable. But perhaps you're right on that count. Regarding "note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such". A redirect to what? --Kerrykez13 (talk) 13:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If they were notable solely for having a member that was in another notable band, it is often more appropriate to include a link to the original band's page, in this case Belisha. Note too that, per WP:V, all claims to notability must be verifiable. Redfarmer (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, OK. Well, I cannot verify notability, so I accept your point on this. Concerning "it is often more appropriate to include a link to the original band's page, in this case Belisha", I thought I had done that. I had set up a link from the 'history' section linking to Belisha. So is the sole problem now that Belisha is not a notable band? I don't know too much about them, but I believe they have quite a solid background and support base. And have toured rather extensively, have supported Primal Scream, etc. I imagine there's articles out there collaborating this. Although I'm sure a Belisha fan would have more luck finding them.--Kerrykez13 (talk) 14:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If they were notable solely for having a member that was in another notable band, it is often more appropriate to include a link to the original band's page, in this case Belisha. Note too that, per WP:V, all claims to notability must be verifiable. Redfarmer (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: No, I'm referring to Handshake's importance in folk circles. Of course, this is difficult to prove. Essex Folk News publish entirely in print rather than electronically. Perhaps you could buy a copy, it's not that expensive. As for Belisha, I do not know too much about them, so I cannot argue their notability. I presumed that because they had not been deleted that someone considered them notable. But perhaps you're right on that count. Regarding "note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such". A redirect to what? --Kerrykez13 (talk) 13:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Of what band? If you're referring to Belisha again, you should note that even if that band is notable, being a member of it does not guarantee automatic notability for future projects. When you quoted criteria six, you left out the last part: "note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such." If you are saying Handshake has been important in folk circles, I'd like to see that backed up with sources since the band has only been around two years with one EP. Redfarmer (talk) 13:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 'Comment: haha, no worries. i think you may have a good point for deletion anyway. so well argued! i'm going to head off now, so go and enjoy your tea! if i add a paragraph about Belisha somewhere on the Handshake page AND the notability of Belisha is confirmed on their page, then do you think this may prevent deletion?--Kerrykez13 (talk) 14:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I think if it's decided here the band isn't notable in and of itself, it may be more appropriate to just put a paragraph on the Belisha page until Handshake becomes more well known. P.S. I withdrew my Speedy nomination for Belisha because I found some stuff on them. Redfarmer (talk) 14:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure thing. I probably won't add a paragraph to Belisha, as their musical styles are so different that I can't imagine there's much cross-interest! Feel free to delete the Handshake page, but I'll be ready to put it back up if they become better known! All the best, and thanks for the discussion. --Kerrykez13 (talk) 14:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I think if it's decided here the band isn't notable in and of itself, it may be more appropriate to just put a paragraph on the Belisha page until Handshake becomes more well known. P.S. I withdrew my Speedy nomination for Belisha because I found some stuff on them. Redfarmer (talk) 14:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.