Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamdy Ahmed
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Speedy keep (non-admin closure). I'm going to ignore the "no one other than the nominator recommends that the page be deleted" part of WP:SK. Anyone is, of course, welcome to re-nominate this if you disagree. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hamdy Ahmed[edit]
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Reluctantly propose discussed deletion of this article as an unsourced BLP. The subject is probably fully notable in Egypt, but a quick search has not led me to reliable sources that mention him; this is probably more of an inter-cultural problem than anything else (or just my short-sightedness). He is listed on imdb, but that does not help. The article needs reliable sources, even if they are in Arabic. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:36, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as unsourced BLP. Ginsuloft (talk) 01:45, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Justletters, my French isn't as good as yours. Was this a serious attempt at an article? It certainly didn't seem like an attack. Perhaps it could be moved to userspace so as not to discourage Salemkerman from contributing (perhaps at fr). DPRoberts534 (talk) 01:52, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps there's a misunderstanding here? I don't think I made any suggestion that this was an attack. It was, if I understood it correctly, an unreferenced puff in very poor French for an Egyptian actor whom I believe to be fully notable in his own country, but for whom we may have difficulty establishing notability here; WP:CSB is easy in theory, but not so simple in actual practice. I removed everything from the article but the basic fact, and reluctantly proposed it for deletion here as it is entirely unreferenced. If you prefer to move it to userspace, that is entirely acceptable to me, and may be a better course of action. I've already left a note on Salemkerman's talk, suggesting that if he wants to reply in French that is also OK. I have briefly searched for Arabic-language sources, but have been hampered by the fact that (a) my Arabic is getting very rusty and (b) an awful lot of people are called Hamdi Ahmad or something very like it. Note: I chose this deletion path in preference to speedy or PROD in order to give time for other editors to express their opinions. I will see it as a failure in our way of doing things if the article is in fact deleted. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 02:19, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I was unclear. What I meant was that it could possibly be userified without falling afoul of BLP policy because, although unsourced, it did not seem to disparage the subject in any way. DPRoberts534 (talk) 02:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I should apologise, you were clear enough, I was obtuse. I see that some films and a reference have been added to the article. The reference at first sight looks as if it could be used as a source for details of his life. However, as far as I am able to determine, it was copied verbatim from ar.wp (!), which may limit its reliability? I note that the article there is without references. There's an article on Al-yum as-saadis on fr.wp, but it too is unreferenced (well, referenced to imdb). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: I've now added a couple of sentences about his political career (which was mentioned in the original French-language version posted here, but which I had forgotten about), together with two references. If my understanding of WP:POLITICIAN is correct, membership of the national parliament establishes his notability for our purposes. If I've got that right, and others agree that those references are sufficient to establish that, I will withdraw this nomination and request that it instead be considered a speedy keep. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:52, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I should apologise, you were clear enough, I was obtuse. I see that some films and a reference have been added to the article. The reference at first sight looks as if it could be used as a source for details of his life. However, as far as I am able to determine, it was copied verbatim from ar.wp (!), which may limit its reliability? I note that the article there is without references. There's an article on Al-yum as-saadis on fr.wp, but it too is unreferenced (well, referenced to imdb). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I was unclear. What I meant was that it could possibly be userified without falling afoul of BLP policy because, although unsourced, it did not seem to disparage the subject in any way. DPRoberts534 (talk) 02:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps there's a misunderstanding here? I don't think I made any suggestion that this was an attack. It was, if I understood it correctly, an unreferenced puff in very poor French for an Egyptian actor whom I believe to be fully notable in his own country, but for whom we may have difficulty establishing notability here; WP:CSB is easy in theory, but not so simple in actual practice. I removed everything from the article but the basic fact, and reluctantly proposed it for deletion here as it is entirely unreferenced. If you prefer to move it to userspace, that is entirely acceptable to me, and may be a better course of action. I've already left a note on Salemkerman's talk, suggesting that if he wants to reply in French that is also OK. I have briefly searched for Arabic-language sources, but have been hampered by the fact that (a) my Arabic is getting very rusty and (b) an awful lot of people are called Hamdi Ahmad or something very like it. Note: I chose this deletion path in preference to speedy or PROD in order to give time for other editors to express their opinions. I will see it as a failure in our way of doing things if the article is in fact deleted. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 02:19, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- That article sure looked like original reporting, but now I see that ar.wp was the source. Horlicks. DPRoberts534 (talk) 05:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:04, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The subject meets the criteria for a politician and possibly for an actor. The sources support his notability. It's just really difficult to find reliable information to expand the article. DPRoberts534 (talk) 05:10, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Apparently a member of parliament, and that's always enough to justify keeping an article. Further, if, as the nom says, he;s notable in his own country, then he;s notable for the purposes of English--it covers the world, it just writea the articles in English. DGG ( talk ) 00:10, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdraw nomination, keep since there is agreement that he is notable, and the article is no longer unreferenced. Would someone like to close this as a speedy keep? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.