Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Half-Life 2: Episode Four (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 14:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Half-Life 2: Episode Four[edit]

Administrative note: I have split the histories of the two AfDs so that the first is now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Half-Life 2: Episode Four. Thus those comments referring to "below" should be taken instead as referring to that. Splash - tk 15:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Already been deleted before, nothing has changed, Delete PureLegend 16:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to make things clear, Episode Four *does* exist and *is* under production, by a second-party studio. You can read more about its confirmation, and find the source, at Half-Life 2#Mods_and_expansions. That said I don't really mind whether it stays or goes at this point: Abstain. --Tom Edwards 17:55, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I've reconsidered. Ep4's existence is notable, and therefore an article, even if it's just a stub, should be around to convey the fact. Keep. --Tom Edwards 17:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Second-party studio" - Does that mean that I am producing it? Do you mean first or third party? Wickethewok 21:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Heh. Third-party I suppose. Third-party is how Valve sometimes term mods, which is probably what caused that booboo. ;-) --Tom Edwards 22:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Annouced Game, and part of a popular series. Chopper Dave 20:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Bear in mind, the article hasn't changed since last deletion, and the source is still the same. PureLegend 07:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Per previous AfD below. Same reasons apply here. Couple of lines from the gossip section of a gaming mag is not official proof. I can also find multiple sources stating there are THREE and not four episodes to Half-Life 2. Unless multiple sources can be found stating there is to be a fourth episode, there should most definitly not be an article here.The Kinslayer 16:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A detailed telephone interview with Valve's PR head is a long way from the "gossip section". You've not even checked the source, have you? --Tom Edwards 15:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I did. The only verfiable source is one quoted sentence on a forum followed by a plethora of fan speculation. Very convincing. Half Life 2 Episode 4 yields absolutely nothing on google bar the associated posts on forums. I am now convinced that that this article DEFINITLY shouldn't be here yet. The Kinslayer 12:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Per previous AfD below. There is no reason for this to be kept, as stated above and below. --Film11 22:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Not even sure why there is a debate over the 4th episode in a trilogy. Might as well have an article about "President Emo Phillips", as it would be just as likely. Pharmboy 18:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge / Delete Mabey a referance to such a game could be put in a similar article? DotDarkCloud 22:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per aLii/Kinslayer/etc. Not WP:V enough yet. jesup 22:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Its been known for a while that Episode 3 is the finale of the HL2 Trilogy so there's no need for a Episode 4 article when there is a 0.00001% chance of a game ever being made. Plus Vavle has made all the HL2 games by themselves (First Party), unlike the original Half Life (where Gearbox and Ritual helped out)Furthermore the only source that corraberates that is a quote from PCGamer in March. TheSpeedster
    Alright I've done some more looking, and any google search with the term Half Life Episode 4 comes up with just a comic strip. Nothing else, no PC Gamer article, no updated news (its extremely rare that any game would last that long without any new news) + Nothing on Gamespot nor IGN TheSpeedster
  • Delete per Kinslayer, and possibly a violation of WP:HOAX.--WaltCip 00:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and turn it into a footnote at the end of the HL2 article until further details are announced.--Chef Brian 03:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ultra Strong Keep if Episode 4 does occur. Give this one some time. --172.148.158.110 18:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Wikipedia's not a crystal ball. Read the above "delete" votes.--WaltCip 23:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Episode 4 IS being made by a third party, Valve said so.

  • Delete until more information can be provided from externally verifiable third party sources. The information I can access (and I don't know how much more there was to the article beyond the snippet placed on the forum post) gives a single line of text. I can't tell who the developers will be, when it will begin development, etcetra, leaving us with an article that says "HL Ep 4 does not exist yet", which is not enough to go with at the moment. I fully support an article on this when more, solid information is provided to the public through reliable sources, but it is a bit premature. -- saberwyn 22:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article uses the present tense. --Tom Edwards 11:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I actually have to agree with this course of action...it's not even helping anyone at the moment. Just an article with about two sentences of info.--Katana314 22:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please be aware of the sources for this article before commenting:
  • "Episode 4: 'stand alone plot'". Halflife2.net Forums. 3 April 2006. Retrieved 25 July 2006.
  • "The World According to Gabe". PC Gamer magazine (US). April 2006. p. 22.
  • "Re: Steam Source LOL". 7 November 2006. Retrieved 2006-11-07.
I moved these sources from out of the template header to here, since you shouldn't add things up there (they get deleted when the AfD is closed, thereby removing part of the discussion input). I notice that your thrid source, the only recent one, is a forum post, as is the first one, leaving only the PCGamer announcement of more than half a year ago. (Well, I have a forum post which says it is true, because it is confirmed on Wikipedia (!), after which the other posters starts Wikibashing: that is the result of having articles about these things, less trust in Wikipedia instead of more...)[1]. Fram 12:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NOT a crystal ball and lack of multiple verifiable sources. Fram 12:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, WP:NOT crystal ball. Anyway, why isn't this on some sort of merged "Half-Life 2 episodic content" page or something? GarrettTalk 09:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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