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The result was keep. And move to Death of Hadis Najafi. Consensus is that while she was not notable while she was alive, her death and the reactions to it are a notable event with plentiful coverage in reliable sources. Sandstein 05:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Not sure why you refer to WP:BLP1E, which is a shortcut (or redirects) to Wikipedia:Biographies of living person WP:BLP. The subject is not a living person and so WP:BLP not does apply here. Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not have a page dedicated to the assessment for notability or treatment of notable deaths. Hence, we have to rely on WP:NBIO (Wikipedia:Notability (people)) and WP:N(E) (Wikipedia:Notability (events)). There is nothing in the WP guidelines that asserts that for notability a person has to be notable while alive. If they die a notable death, then that is one way that they become notable, albeit after they die. So what is a notable death? I suggest a notable death is a death that stands out in some way from most of the roughly one hundred million human deaths that take place every year. For example, if a person is murdered by state actors, resulting in street protests or protests on social media, then the person's death becomes notable and the person by their notable death becomes notable. If a murderous state murders many victims, resulting in nationwide protests, then which death, if any, is a notable death? I don't think there is a simple answer to that. Which is why I think we need a Wikipedia page dedicated to the assessment of notable deaths. 82.15.254.27 (talk) 21:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
you argument that she became famous after her death, this is fully true; before that event she was not famous. You can apply your logic to approximately all famous people with an article in Wikipedia. They were not initially famous but they became famous after a specific time. For example most of the famous people like presidents of states, actors, serial killers, celebrities, ... Savalanni (talk) 19:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
so she isn't notable then. Dying isn't famous. We need reliable sources covering her life, not talking about her death. Oaktree b (talk) 23:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good reason that you have not read the references. They are full of description of her live, before and after her death. She was very active in many social portals so that hundreds of multimedia records belonging to her are being analyzed daily. Many TV programs with many invited guests are aired to discuss her symbolic character, ... . Please do not simply write about her knowing nothing about her. Savalanni (talk) 15:37, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, all sources are about the exact same thing. BLP1E applies. ~StyyxTalk? 16:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please read carefully these sources together with the sources cited in the article itself. It is far more than exact same thing! And what about the millions and millions of tweets? Savalanni (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Nothing notable, appears another death in an authoritarian regime. Will likely happen again, as sad as that is, it's almost routine. Oaktree b (talk) 17:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are many deaths but few symbols and icons. She is one of the two symbols besides Mahsa Amini. Please do not speak such lowly about the death of human, and please never wish that such deaths will happen again. It seems to be a little bit too brutal Savalanni (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep There are enough sources to prove her reputation. PARSA (TALK) 19:43, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sources about her death, yes. And how exactlt does this bypass BLP1E, Parsa 2au? ~StyyxTalk? 20:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, note the vote canvassing done here. ~StyyxTalk? 20:26, 29 September 2022 (UTC) [reply]
She is not only famous for one event, namely her death, but for a chain of events, thus BLP1E can not be applied. She became an icon and symbol of millions of people. Please study her case carefully and then write your opinions. Savalanni (talk) 20:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The only sources are because of her death, that's the whole idea of BLP1E. ~StyyxTalk? 20:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not fully true. As I have written before, a chain of multidimensional events are happening around her death. She is an icon and symbol. It seems you have not deeply researched her case; A complex political and social game inside and outside of Iran is happening about her case.Savalanni (talk) 20:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let me rephrase this for you: if she hadn't died (i.e. a single event) none of this would've existed. ~Styyx Talk? 20:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but poor argumentation. Every reputation and fame begins with one event and then a chain of events follow. Here we see the same pattern. I can give you thousands of examples for this. I think you have not correctly understood the BLP1E. Savalanni (talk) 21:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK bud, you know it better. XD The difference is, it begins with one, and then those people have an established carreer or something in the years coming, and then they get to be known for more than one thing. It has been a week since she was killed. Apart from her death, she is a normal, routine, Iranian girl. She is known for a single thing, and that's it. ~StyyxTalk? 08:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
sorry, but I am not bud, please call me Savalanni! It seems to be more polite. As I have written before, chain of events are following the first event. She became the symbol and icon of a nation and beyond it. She is now a champion of people's. Millions of people are speaking, writing about her (including us here in Wikipedia!). Tens of millions of tweets, hashtags, ... are created about her and are increasingly continuing. Please do not limit her only to her death. Many died and are dying in the protests, but only one of them became the icon. Savalanni (talk) 15:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then we can redirect the article to the protests, it's her death that's notable, not the life before it. We don't need a biography for every person involved, that we wouldn't have otherwise. Had she not died, she wouldn't get an article is the point. Oaktree b (talk) 13:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please, we must all remain positivist, I have just informed them that such discussion is going on here. Nothing about canvassing or somthing like that. We must all remain fair. They are free to write positively or negatively, I do not force them! Savalanni (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"In the English wiki [1], they want to remove the article [2] related to Najafi's hadith with a poll. Can you please prevent the removal of the article by posting your positive opinion there to save the article? Thank you very much in advance for your help" is what the message translates to, so I don't think you have any ground to continue arguing about this. ~StyyxTalk? 20:57, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is just an invitation to participate, nothing more. The automatic translation has not translated fully true, the soul of meaning in English and Persian are different. I do not know the people, they may be pro or contra, it is 50% to 50%. They may appose or support, I can not know it. As I have written, we should all remain positivist.Savalanni (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Stop it, please. You instruct them to write "keep" with four tildes even if they don't know English. No need to machine translation at all. Everyone can read the English word "keep" in the diff I provided. 4nn1l2 (talk) 22:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
yes, in this particular case you are right, I should have not written that (It happened because I did not know the rules about canvassing). But fortunately the user has not written anything here. Savalanni (talk) 15:56, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Please note that this discussion has been advertised on Persian Wikipedia. Please strike the votes by nonregulars. She is just a victim without any agency and does not deserve her own entry in an encyclopedia. 4nn1l2 (talk) 21:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is not true, she is not a regular victim of the protests. She became an icon and symol of the protests with millions of hashtags, huge fame in mass media, .... . Please also do not repeat groundless assertions of the user Styyx about my informing others about the ongoing discussion with naming it as canvassing. Your sudden appearance here is also a little bit suspicious, it seems to be like the result of an off-wiki canvassing of Styyx or may be not, who knows. Because it is your first edit in Wikipedia after two days off; Furthermore your behavioral resemblances to the user Styyx (both interested in Turkish related articles and both with non-mother-tongue English, both claiming canvassing, similar edits, similar English writing style, ...) are a little bit suspicious. Savalanni (talk) 21:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the links for your canvassing at fawiki: [33][34][35][36][37][38]admins' board. You even asked them to vote keep[39]. I am a native speaker of Persian with over 70K edits at fawiki and the admin bit on Commons.
To enwiki admins who may not know what is happening in Iran now: The symbol of the ongoing protests in Iran is a Kurdish girl named Mahsa Amini. Some Turkic speakers in Iran (Azerbaijani people) try to make another symbol, a Turk this time. They claim Hadis Najafi is ethnically a Turk (which may be true, I don't know and I don't care). You may know that the relation between Turkic people and Kurdish people has been problematic for a long time, both in Turkey and Iran. 4nn1l2 (talk) 22:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So you didn't canvass? That's even worse if someone else is doing it for you. I'd say we should likely strike all the canvassed votes then. Oaktree b (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
4nn1l2 I think you are the first one to look to the protects and its symbols from this point of view. But I have listed many international mass media that have freely written about the protects and the symbols of the protests. The protests are not about and not related to any ethnic groups and their rights in Iran. It is about women right. Please do not mix and confuse and please do not reduce the protests in Iran to an ethnic conflict. If anybody searches the internet, he or she will immediately understand the motives of the protests in Iran Savalanni (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I just deleted a copyvio of Hadis Najafi with a gigantic flag of the Republic of Azerbaijan on Commons and I blocked the user for a month too: c:File:Hadis Najafi.jpg [40]. The immediate creation of this entry on azwiki (the Republic of Azerbaijan), azbwiki (the Iranian Azerbaijan), and trwiki (Turkey) speaks for itself. 4nn1l2 (talk) 23:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is getting to be easy to decide, copyvios, argument over what is or isn't canvassing. Ref bombing in the AfD discussion. Delete. Oaktree b (talk) 14:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment User Styyx seems to be doing some sort of off-wiki canvassing in order to gather votes to delete this article. User 4nn1l2 seems to be canvassed (please see my comments and argumentations below its vote). Or may be the user 4nn1l2 is Styyx himself (as his sock puppet). I ask the administrators to check these facts.Savalanni (talk) 21:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for now, suggest revisiting in six months. It's not clear whether this will pass WP:NEVENT because it hasn't been long enough to know whether it will be part of the "enduring historical record". If we get a couple sources reanalyzing the event in a few months—especially after widespread protests have ended—then it will be enough. Perhaps fawiki has a lower threshold for event notability, but the sheer amount of international coverage (showing significance outside of Iran) presented by Savalinni indicates this event may ultimately prove notable in the sense of NEVENT. It's different from, say, a random kidnapping in the US which receives negligible international attention; that falls squarely under WP:NOTNEWS. Ovinus (talk) 22:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Canvassing for votes tells us how non-notable this is. A notable article can stand on its own. Could even redirect to the Mahsa Amin article (and I've probably messed up the spelling of her name too). Still prefer deletion. Oaktree b (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussed canvassing here is about trying to delete the article, not to keep it. Hadis Najafi's article is far more famous than to be deleted in Wikipedia. Just the fact of millions of Hashtags about her is an undoubtable reason for her notability. Millions of people in Iran and outside of it are speaking about her. Thousands of articles about her is existing. International mass media is reporting steadily about the events about her life, her death, her family, her role in protests, her leading role in protests, ... .Savalanni (talk) 23:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Again, we need notable sources to prove this, and we have none. We have no need to discuss who said what at this point. Being notable in the world and having reliable sources upon which to create an article on wiki different things. Hashtags aren't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 03:18, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b: please see as an example of many sources the following source: https://news.sky.com/story/we-want-everyone-to-know-her-name-hadis-najafi-the-23-year-old-tiktoker-shot-dead-in-iran-protests-12706404?curator=upstract.com. There are hundreds of such sources describing her as the icon of a nation and a generation.Savalanni (talk) 16:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've voted, and take a dim view on canvassing. We're here to discuss notability on wikipedia, not to game the system. Oaktree b (talk) 19:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion being canvassed has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Najafi is notable. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Mahsa_Amini_protests#Casualties, where she is already mentioned in a table listing casualties; could add the most significant sources to the "Details" column there, but this is basically BLP1E - unless we get sources showing that she is still being written about in a few months' time so has lasting encyclopedic significance (in which case we can revert to this article). PamD 07:55, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Ah, interesting: She is no longer mentioned by name in the current version (as I type) of Mahsa Amini protests, as all names of casualties have been removed with edit summary "the naming of non-notable casualties requires talk page consensus". I see also that Karaj is not mentioned at Mahsa_Amini_protests#21_September, only in the 25 Sept section, although Najafi died on 21st. PamD 22:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Updated !vote): Move to Death of Hadis Najafi: Seems to be enough international coverage. PamD 07:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It would have been easier to discuss this article thoroughly if its creator and supporters had formatted the references properly so that readers and other editors can see what the sources are, beyond simple titles - eg whether they are blogs or major news publications - without having to click on them. PamD 08:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because she is only known for dying. ~StyyxTalk? 08:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then let's delete Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II, that topic is also only for dying. Gazozlu (talk) 09:34, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, because first, that's a textbook "What about X?" argument and second, that event isn't routine. A king/queen of a major country dying after many years doesn't happen often and will have lasting coverage; in a stupid regime like this, these deaths, how unfortunate it is, happen lot. ~StyyxTalk? 11:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But not this specific killing. This specific death is not routine, it wasn't expected that she specifically would be killed. The death of the Queen Elizabeth and the death of Hadis Najafi have both received enough coverage that an article can be written about it. Also, we should not that the coverage isn't only about her death in of its self but, similar to the Queens death, what that death means in a larger context, the symbolism of the death, the reprecussions and events that follow because of it etc. Gazozlu (talk) 13:07, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, it was the death of a notable individual at that point. this young lady was nowhere near the level the queen was when she died. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hadis Najafi is a symbol of protests and millions of people across the world speaking about her. Her mass media coverage is comparable with that of the death of Elizabeth II. I think Hadis has more tweets and hashtags now than Elizabeth II.Savalanni (talk) 16:24, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You've said that many times, but why is she important is the question. Simply telling us so isn't helping. What has she accomplished? What's been discussed at length in reliable sources, unrelated to her? Oaktree b (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You asked this question many times at this discussion, I have answered to it many times. Please start a new question, please do not repeat the already answered questions.Savalanni (talk) 20:27, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please show us notable sources that discuss her at length that show GNG has been met? The ones we have aren't quite there yet. Oaktree b (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It seems that almost no one here actually looks at the policy WP:BLP1E. Criterion 1 is clearly met, but criterion 3 is clearly not: 3. If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. Her role is clearly substantial and also fairly well-documented. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But significance is "indicated by how persistent the coverage is in reliable sources", so it's too soon to say. That's why I suggested redirecting for now, with an option to reinstate the article if, in a few weeks or months time, she is still getting coverage. PamD 16:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The information about her is too much, no place in that pages table of causality to write and fit them all. Why not keep it with the option to check it later if your mentioned criterion is met or is not met anymore? Savalanni (talk) 16:31, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We can't keep this parked for that long. If it's still notable then, it can always be recreated. Why not just write about her in the protest article, she seems to be heavily related to them? Take away the protests, and she isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 19:49, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The answer to your question is simple: because there are many sources and many information about her. I ask a question: why there is an article about the Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II? Why it should not be merged in Elizabeth II article page? Or better asked: why we need at all an article about Elizabeth II herself. It can be merged simply in the article about Monarchy of the United Kingdom Savalanni (talk) 20:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Every single source I've seen that discusses the protests also discusses her. I don't know how much more significant you want her role to be. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 00:09, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I searched in google and I found lots of media covering Hadis Najafi’s death and her becoming a symbol beside Mahsa Amini. NMasiha (talk) 17:40, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Please share some sources, that is what we're trying to discuss here. Oaktree b (talk) 19:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
please refer to more than 50 reliable sources cited in this discussion and in the article page itself. As an example please see this one: https://news.sky.com/story/we-want-everyone-to-know-her-name-hadis-najafi-the-23-year-old-tiktoker-shot-dead-in-iran-protests-12706404Savalanni (talk) 20:10, 30 September 2022 (UTC)curator=upstract.com[reply]
And that's the only source I can find, she doesn't meet GNG then. Oaktree b (talk) 13:53, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and Rename per WP:BLP1E - There appears to be too much information available for the proposed redirect to be feasible, and the Death of Hadis Najafi does not appear to be "routine", per the sources. Per WP:EVENT, there appears to be a well-documented WP:EFFECT, including but not limited to the international coverage, per WP:GEOSCOPE. Per WP:EFFECT, It may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable. There also appears to be WP:INDEPTH coverage in WP:DIVERSE sources. Per WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, That an event occurred recently does not in itself make it non-notable. Per WP:RAPID, it seems better for now to allow this article to develop into an event article. Beccaynr (talk) 00:51, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Example sources: Iran protests: 20yo, Hadis Najafi’s brave stand before violent death (News.com.au, Sept. 26, 2022), Hadis Najafi killed in Iran protests, becomes new symbol of defiance (Jerusalem Post, Sept. 26), How a video taken out of context made Hadis Najafi a symbol of repression in Iran (France24, Sept. 27), Iranian TikToker Hadis Najafi, 23, 'shot dead' during demonstrations in Karaj (ITV, Sept. 30), 'We want everyone to know her name': TikToker Hadis Najafi, 23, shot dead in Iran protests (Sky News, Sept. 30). Beccaynr (talk) 01:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Some of these (for example Jpost or France24) are bad sources and subject to disinformation or misinformation unfortunately. There may have been a deliberate campaign to confuse people and create a new (Turk) symbol. Many news websites removed their false news about her, but some did not. The gist of the "disinformation campaign" can be read here (BBC tweet). Again, she is just a normal victim like many others and does not deserve special attention. The only person who deserves special attention in these protests is Mahsa Amini herslef whose death sparked the protests. 4nn1l2 (talk) 10:44, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Those sources do not imply that there is a disinformation campaign as you are suggesting. Gazozlu (talk) 11:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The current version of the Wikipedia article itself discusses the disinformation about her extensively: en:Special:Permalink/1113422180#Disinformation_related_to_Hadis_Najafi_and_her_death. I prefer that Wikipedia stay away from disinformation and not become Victimpedia. 4nn1l2 (talk) 11:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It it is talked about by a reliable source(s) then it can be part of the wikipedia article, but i don't think the existence of alleged disinformation is a reason for deletion of the article about the topic where the disinformation may have taken place. Gazozlu (talk) 11:48, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If the only thing a reliable source, such as France24, says about a dead person is about the disinformation and misinformation around her name, then I believe that source should not be considered as an evidence of notability for the victim. At first, the subject of the article should be proved to be notable, and then, if proven, this news piece can be used to expand the article too.
    If a source such as the Jerusalem Post uses proven false information in its reporting and does not care to rectify its content, then that source should not be considered as an evidence of notability for the subject of the article. That source should not be taken serious at all.
    That's all I want to say. 4nn1l2 (talk) 12:41, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Based on my experience working on articles such as Killing of Amir Locke, and the Olga Sukhenko AfD, I am familiar with ways to incorporate early news that may be widely-reported and then later corrected, but I am less familiar with arguments such as "Nothing notable, appears another death in an authoritarian regime. Will likely happen again, as sad as that is, it's almost routine." The WP:EVENT guideline includes an overview of WP:ROUTINE coverage, and this death does not appear to be run-of-the-mill, based on the coverage that goes beyond the initial mistaken video, includes questions about the circumstances of her death, the promise of an ongoing investigation, allegations of live gunfire being used on protesters, and debunking misinformation (Sky news), (France 24, "Although she was not the woman in the ponytail video, Hadis Najafi was indeed killed at a protest."). In the example sources I list above, I am particularly interested in sources that acknowledge the initial mistaken video and nevertheless continue to report on Najafi (e.g. ITV), and the reports on the social media response also seem to support the notability of the event (e.g. news.com.au). The JPost also reports on a range of social media responses, including posts by family and friends. Reuters reports on Sept. 25: Iran protests Western stance on mass protests over woman's death, "Details of casualties have trickled out slowly, partly because of the restrictions on communication" before including brief coverage of the death of Najafi and what we now know is a mistakenly-attributed video. I think the article can be revised to more clearly reflect the notability of the event, based on available sources that discuss more than misinformation (about the ponytail video and whether she is still alive), even though these aspects are also part of this event. Beccaynr (talk) 15:23, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, e.g. Insider on Sept 30, A 20-year-old TikToker killed while protesting for women's rights has become a symbol of Iran's resistance e.g. "The online reactions to Amini and Najafi's deaths and the ongoing demonstrations has been intense, even amid a widespread internet blackout in Iran" [...] "In an echo of the uproar over Amini's killing, Najafi has now also become a rallying point for protesters" [...] "Najafi's name has become a popular hashtag to spread word of protests and call for change" and there is commentary quoted about why the mistakenly-attributed ponytail video "spoke to many Iranians." Beccaynr (talk) 16:59, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep We have enough sources to write an article, and we'd be doing our readers a service by distinguishing what is disinformation (or just sloppy reporting) from what is solid. Whether we title the article Hadis Najafi or Death of Hadis Najafi is bikeshedding that depends upon sub-condition 3(b) of WP:SOMEDAMNACRONYM; we don't need to resolve that here. XOR'easter (talk) 14:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Pure history in the making. Its what Wikipedia is for. scope_creepTalk 10:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - she is notable for her death but there seem to be several other figures like this on Wikipedia; quite wide coverage in international media and her name being invoked at foreign events and in foreign politics seems quite significant. The article as it is right now is not optimal in terms of the writing, sourcing or source formatting but that seems like it could easily be ironed out. Beodizia (talk) 20:19, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Simply because she was not notable before her death (per WP:BLP1E). It can be moved to a page on her death though. --Mhhossein talk 06:54, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So basically keep and move, not delete. Delete means the article will be removed completely.-- Ideophagous (talk) 20:00, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment BBC Radio 4 Today, as I type, is discussing another young woman as a significant death following that of Mahsa Amini - can't quite catch the name but something like Nika Shakterami... - went to a demo, disappeared for 10 days, body produced by police alleging she fell off a building. No mention of Hadis Najafi. PamD 07:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now found in The Guardian PamD 07:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, we have her covered already: Death of Nika Shakarami. PamD 07:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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